Average Wikipediocrazy "discussion"

[Archer]

what did you go by over there? maybe we could take a look and figure it out

Same as here, "Archer". See the note/link at the end of https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 837#p29837. I suppose that would be my best guess, but merely contradicting an admin is not grounds for a ban.

ah i see now. you ran afoul of the tranny protectorate. just make a sock if you really want to post there, but i would stay away from anything transgender-related. the trannies must be protected from truthful mean words at all times or else they will shoot up a school or something.

I didn't say anything mean. "Gender affirming care" is most definitely a euphemism. Are there even any other examples of a clinical phrase or jargon that uses the word "affirming"? It's marketing language, appealing to the social insecurities and fantasies of the ill.

[badmachine]

Same as here, "Archer". See the note/link at the end of https://www.wikipediasucks.co/forum/vie ... 837#p29837. I suppose that would be my best guess, but merely contradicting an admin is not grounds for a ban.

ah i see now. you ran afoul of the tranny protectorate. just make a sock if you really want to post there, but i would stay away from anything transgender-related. the trannies must be protected from truthful mean words at all times or else they will shoot up a school or something.

I didn't say anything mean. "Gender affirming care" is most definitely a euphemism. Are there even any other examples of a clinical phrase or jargon that uses the word "affirming"? It's marketing language, appealing to the social insecurities and fantasies of the ill.

absolutely correct. but still you can't say this particular true thing over there. just make a sock and stay away from that third rail. they wont care.

[Archer]

ah i see now. you ran afoul of the tranny protectorate. just make a sock if you really want to post there, but i would stay away from anything transgender-related. the trannies must be protected from truthful mean words at all times or else they will shoot up a school or something.

I didn't say anything mean. "Gender affirming care" is most definitely a euphemism. Are there even any other examples of a clinical phrase or jargon that uses the word "affirming"? It's marketing language, appealing to the social insecurities and fantasies of the ill.

absolutely correct. but still you can't say this particular true thing over there. just make a sock and stay away from that third rail. they wont care.

I thought about it for a moment but decided against it. If they're going censor users for making serious arguments and critique but still pretend to be a critics' forum then I'd just be helping them keep up appearances. It's insulting enough to begin with, but they're not even decent enough to reply to my one email in which I asked (politely) why I was thrown out.

Slinking back onto WPO under a different name while vaunting nutjobs are shielded from critique itself is more than my ego and self-respect will allow.

[badmachine]

I didn't say anything mean. "Gender affirming care" is most definitely a euphemism. Are there even any other examples of a clinical phrase or jargon that uses the word "affirming"? It's marketing language, appealing to the social insecurities and fantasies of the ill.

absolutely correct. but still you can't say this particular true thing over there. just make a sock and stay away from that third rail. they wont care.

I thought about it for a moment but decided against it. If they're going censor users for making serious arguments and critique but still pretend to be a critics' forum then I'd just be helping them keep up appearances. It's insulting enough to begin with, but they're not even decent enough to reply to my one email in which I asked (politely) why I was thrown out.

Slinking back onto WPO under a different name while vaunting nutjobs are shielded from critique itself is more than my ego and self-respect will allow.

youre more reasonable than me then.

[Archer]

absolutely correct. but still you can't say this particular true thing over there. just make a sock and stay away from that third rail. they wont care.

I thought about it for a moment but decided against it. If they're going censor users for making serious arguments and critique but still pretend to be a critics' forum then I'd just be helping them keep up appearances. It's insulting enough to begin with, but they're not even decent enough to reply to my one email in which I asked (politely) why I was thrown out.

Slinking back onto WPO under a different name while vaunting nutjobs are shielded from critique itself is more than my ego and self-respect will allow.

youre more reasonable than me then.

Very little critique on WPO is sharp enough to draw blood. The status quo cannot bear serious criticism, but it would be odd if there weren't any critique of Wikipedia at all. WPO is merely a simulacrum. Just look at the topics https://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=8. Does any of this really seem impactful or relevant?

I was not really criticizing Wikipedia editors or WPO members per se, nor am I generally inclined to do so. The thread (which I didn't start) was about wikipedia policy concerning what one is and isn't allowed to say on Wikipedia. A real critics' forum would not be averse to this sort of argumentation and debate. Few worthwhile subjects (of critique) aren't 'third-rails' in some sense or another. Many people want to criticize them but don't know how to approach them. Social engineers do not propagandize these subjects in such a way that makes them easy to criticize, otherwise there's no point. Likewise if I avoid these subjects, I might as well not bother.

You might say that "transgenderism" isn't one of those third rails that's worth bothering with. I've often thought the same thing, yet consider the example all this is setting. One can make a claim that's plainly untrue ('I am a woman'), demanding that everyone ignore objective reality and accept the entirely contrived, subjective and grossly solipsistic concept of "gender identity" in its stead. This is intellectually regressive. It conditions one to accept what others claim to feel and ignore what one observes and thinks. Of course this all comes with a facile, circular ad hominem to sling at people who do not acquiesce - "you're only criticizing X because you're a X-phobe". Not an argument.

[Archer]

Notice also that the whole idea of transgenderism rides on the coattails of marriage equality and human rights (almost literally so, considering the lgbtq flag). However, claiming to be another gender is not the same type of statement as when a person states they are gay. The latter is a statement of sexual preference. Likewise if someone says they feel feminine, I cannot argue. These are statements about one's internal state of mind. Conversely, to claim that one is a different gender would be ridiculous on its face if the concept of gender identity had not been confected and fleshed out by so much drivel in the media. It is propagandized as something distinct from sex but otherwise uses the same vocabulary and which people are strongarmed to accept as a "drop in replacement" - it is not. A man who feels feminine is not a woman and I think most people would not be terribly alarmed by a feminine man. What's at stake here is language and objective reason.

[boredbird]

It's a "third rail" because who do you think runs the place? Both of them. This is one of the few websites which has not yet been invaded by the body snatchers. People who watch The Thing and think, you know if I were The Thing I would grow boobs and vg.

[Archer]

It's a "third rail" because who do you think runs the place? Both of them. This is one of the few websites which has not yet been invaded by the body snatchers. People who watch The Thing and think, you know if I were The Thing I would grow boobs and vg.

It's a third rail because the status quo has decided to adopt it. Why? I can't say for certain, but what I've written above seems like a fair guess. That is, as an exercise in conditioning the public to accept the irrational, ignore objective observations, and adopt new language whenever the powers that be find it expedient. It's also a fairly good political distraction from so much else that's happening, and politically divisive. It may also help to subvert "leftist" politics or perhaps rebalance public opinion to achieve a half-and-half distribution of voters (or something to that effect, whatever is ideal to maintain the fake two party system). Or any combination of the above.

I'm fairly confident, though, that the promotion of 'transgenderism' is not due to the kindness and benevolence of our 'leaders'.

[boredbird]

It's a third rail because the status quo has decided to adopt it. Why? I can't say for certain, but what I've written above seems like a fair guess. That is, as an exercise in conditioning the public to accept the irrational, ignore objective observations, and adopt new language whenever the powers that be find it expedient.

It's simpler than that. MTF "lesbian" transgenders are very disproportionately computer programmers, there are more trans programmers than actual women, and they have amassed a very disproportionate amount of money and power. That's true of society as a whole, but far more of Wikipedia and that other site which were created by programmers in the first place and are still run by them.

You get more diversity when you look at publications where the programmers are janitors working at someone else's direction and tech isn't the main part of the workforce. Unfortunately they're slowly but surely being pushed aside and bankrupted by the techbots.

Even ChatGPT is trans. Proof? Ask it to say something negative about it. It will refuse and even lecture you because guess who created it?

[ericbarbour]

People who watch The Thing and think, you know if I were The Thing I would grow boobs and vg.

lol and ouch

It's simpler than that. MTF "lesbian" transgenders are very disproportionately computer programmers, there are more trans programmers than actual women, and they have amassed a very disproportionate amount of money and power.

You could be right but it would be helpful to see some reliable proof of it. WP clearly has a lot of transgender people and virtually all of them are M-to-F. Most work in IT or internet businesses in some capacity.