Hostile BLPs

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Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:40 pm

Should have started this thread years ago.

Today's example:
This is how Lucy Guo was treated in the San Francisco Chronicle today. "The youngest female billionaire in tech history" or something.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/entertainme ... 290410.php

And this is how Wikipedia handles her.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Guo
Career
After dropping out of Carnegie Mellon, Guo interned at Facebook before joining Snapchat as the company's first female designer.[5] At Snapchat, she helped develop Snap Maps.[6] She then moved to Quora where she met Alexandr Wang.[7] They co-founded Scale AI in 2016, but she was fired two years later in 2018.[8]

In 2018, she launched an app called Apply to Date allowing users to create a dating resume.[9]

In 2022 she founded Passes, an OnlyFans competitor using connections from parties she attended.[10][11][12] It raised a $40 million Series A in 2024.[13]

Passes was reported in 2024 to have allowed an account featuring a 12-year-old selling bikini photos after she had been banned by another platform. The account was removed only after the New York Times requested comment.[14]

In 2025, Passes and Guo were sued by another creator who stated that they had distributed child sexual abuse material of her before she turned 18.[15][16][12]

Personal life
She was "living as a digital nomad" for a number of years before buying a $6.7 million apartment in 2020 in Miami where her parties caused conflict with neighbors.[17][18] She was described by the New York Post in 2022 as Miami's number one party girl.[19][7]

In 2024, she purchased another $4.2 million home in West Hollywood.[20]
You can thank one "La China Suares" for most of that.....really, really hates anyone named in the Forbes "30 Under 30" list. Especially Lucy Guo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... 1280985665

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Sun Apr 27, 2025 5:49 pm

An example in the news this week.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Martin ... f_Columbia

Gets longer and longer. The notorious letter to the WMF triggered the nerds. :shrug:

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by Archer » Mon May 05, 2025 12:34 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:40 pm
Should have started this thread years ago.

Today's example:
This is how Lucy Guo was treated in the San Francisco Chronicle today. "The youngest female billionaire in tech history" or something.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/entertainme ... 290410.php

And this is how Wikipedia handles her.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Guo
I do not care. Youngest female billionaire in tech history Lucy Guo can solve her own problems. No offense, Eric. :shrug:

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Mon May 05, 2025 11:31 pm

Feel free to post your own examples.

There is also this one on another thread:
viewtopic.php?p=31006#p31006

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by Strelnikov » Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:55 am

Archer wrote:
Mon May 05, 2025 12:34 pm
ericbarbour wrote:
Thu Apr 24, 2025 9:40 pm
Should have started this thread years ago.

Today's example:
This is how Lucy Guo was treated in the San Francisco Chronicle today. "The youngest female billionaire in tech history" or something.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/entertainme ... 290410.php

And this is how Wikipedia handles her.......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Guo
I do not care. Youngest female billionaire in tech history Lucy Guo can solve her own problems. No offense, Eric. :shrug:
He's pointing out the writing which doesn't even match Wikipedia's vaunted standards. If this article were on Rationalwiki or Encyclopedia Dramatica that would be fine, because their standards are different (or lacking.)

It's also been tagged back in May, so the editors know this one "is problematic" as the kids say.
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Still "Globally Banned" on Wikipedia for the high crime of journalism.

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:27 am

They COULD have a hostile BLP about Joel Koskan. But they have nothing, probably because he never won an election. A "pillar of the community" and Republican politician, convicted of incest? Normally one of their "socially aware" nerds would be all over this. The "rules" are not really rules at all--everything in WikiWorld is made of rubber.

https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2022/11/0 ... lead-race/
https://www.siouxfallslive.com/news/sou ... t-sentence
https://www.dakotanewsnow.com/2023/04/1 ... rs-prison/
https://southdakotasearchlight.com/brie ... or-incest/
https://indianz.com/News/2024/11/12/sou ... -lawmaker/

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Sat Jul 19, 2025 9:07 pm

Jeez, I never said anything about Naomi Wolf before.

In 2014 her biography was positive because she was a "noted feminist author". Then on 6 October, someone called JohnValerion created a "Controversy" section. She was always a bit kooky but now she was routinely ranting about conspiracies. A few days later, that legendary asshole Philip Cross showed up to expand the hell out of the article, with as much negative information as possible. (JohnValerion was blocked as a "sockpuppet" by Courcelles a few months later, and I can't figure out the real reason.)

Wolf's article is now 143k bytes long (longer than the articles of more prominent feminists like Camille Paglia, Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem) and repeatedly calls her a "conspiracy theorist". Fatass Gamaliel is guarding it and preventing any attempt to remove the shrieking.

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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by Strelnikov » Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:08 pm

ericbarbour wrote:
Sat Jul 19, 2025 9:07 pm
Jeez, I never said anything about Naomi Wolf before.

In 2014 her biography was positive because she was a "noted feminist author". Then on 6 October, someone called JohnValerion created a "Controversy" section. She was always a bit kooky but now she was routinely ranting about conspiracies. A few days later, that legendary asshole Philip Cross showed up to expand the hell out of the article, with as much negative information as possible. (JohnValerion was blocked as a "sockpuppet" by Courcelles a few months later, and I can't figure out the real reason.)

Wolf's article is now 143k bytes long (longer than the articles of more prominent feminists like Camille Paglia, Betty Friedan and Gloria Steinem) and repeatedly calls her a "conspiracy theorist". Fatass Gamaliel is guarding it and preventing any attempt to remove the shrieking.
None of it has to do with actual notability, it's just who is on the private shit list of whichever Wikipedian decides "I need to make this BLP as annoying to the subject as possible". I searched for both Naomi Wolf and Naomi Klein (people confuse the two online; Klein actually wrote a book on the subject, which Wolf refused to contribute to) on The Encyclopedia of American Loons because those cranks have Bernie Sanders listed*, but neither of them are on the website. Compare the BLPs of George Adamski and Howard Menger -- both of them were Contactees**, had some fame in the 1950s and early 1960s, wrote books that were published. The difference is that the Adamski article is extremely savage, unlike the one on the lesser-known Menger, which cuts out most of his claims (like Adamski, he claimed the "space brothers" came from Venus, and had been there; Menger also claimed that his wife Connie resembled a Venusian woman he had met.) Both BLPs use newspaper photos for both men instead of the posed shots from their book jackets, which is darkly funny in the case of George Adamski because the newspaper photo dates to the late 1930s before all of his hair went gray, and the silver-haired, professorial Adamski was the one most people who were interested in UFOs had ever seen. (Adamski had been near the Mt. Wilson Observatory for at least twenty years; he ran a hot dog stand nearby and had his own telescope.) If you go through the revisions, the Menger article has changed constantly since it was a stub. If Wikipedia were a real encyclopedia, would they allow biographies to suffer through this much amount of churn? Also, would any true encyclopedia allow for hostile biographies?


* Like with most American Loons targets, Sanders is on the site for alternative medicine, i.e., he has spoken positively about it at one time and tried at one point to get Veterans' Affairs to do alternative medicine through legislation that failed. Their post on him is from 2016 and cumulative to that point.

** Contactees were the people who had alleged contact with UFO (then "flying saucer") crews in the 1950s to mid-1960s; some of the contact was in person, some of it psychic. The aliens were all very good looking humanoids, tall, sometimes with blond hair and blue eyes, and their whole point in making contact was to warn humans about nuclear weapons (they really hated hydrogen bombs) while confirming that Christianity had reached space. Serious UFO investigators did not believe Contactee claims, but that sort of alien is still being sighted in South America, and Contactee-style cases were still going on in Finland in the late 1960s. A lot of the elements of Contacteeism bled into the UMMO letters (either a hoax or a psychological experiment or a hidden Spanish socialist jab at Francoism or all three) and the Rational Culture group in Brazil. Also the Unarius Academy of Science in El Cajon, California.
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Re: Hostile BLPs

Post by ericbarbour » Thu Jul 24, 2025 3:05 am

Strelnikov wrote:
Tue Jul 22, 2025 5:08 pm
Compare the BLPs of George Adamski and Howard Menger -- both of them were Contactees**
UFO conspiracy theories is now 187k bytes long and the corresponding category is a deep dive into classic Wikipedia hectoring. If it's all a hoax and hallucinations, why does WP spend so much space on it? Why keep an article about rather obscure people like Linda Moulton Howe, whose 1981 photo is repeatedly used to illustrate various UFO articles? Obviously there's some "I want to believe" in the tiny wikiworld. And some angry skeptics trying to tamp it down.

The history of the Art Bell article is a ruinous mess. Editwarred heavily in 2006-07 and again when he died in 2018. Loads of random-looking IP address edits were made, some reverted for weird or no reasons. Somebody with more patience than I could probably extract the content of a PhD dissertation just from the edit history of this one bloody article. Shitty way to be remembered for "posterity".

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