"Fram Gate" in Arbcom

[CrowsNest]

He supports the remedy limiting Fram to 500 words a post, correctly observing the guy is an inflexible but incessant gobshite, whose modus operandi was to bury his opponents in bullshit, because he plainly lacks the ability to be incisive.

.......declares the person, without irony, who just wrote a 1,030 word screed criticizing a 1,360 word blogpost...

Truly tragic that you even thought about this in your head, much less wroted it with your crayons.

[Carrite]

He supports the remedy limiting Fram to 500 words a post, correctly observing the guy is an inflexible but incessant gobshite, whose modus operandi was to bury his opponents in bullshit, because he plainly lacks the ability to be incisive.

.......declares the person, without irony, who just wrote a 1,030 word screed criticizing a 1,360 word blogpost...

( Incoherent sputter...)

Biff! Point scored.

RfB

[Graaf Statler]

Biff! Point scored.

RfB

Timmy boy and his dream team



WHAT A GOAL TIMMY!



Loser!

[Graaf Statler]

Timmy boy, here is your fucking fake side admin speaking.

Speel op de bal, en niet op de persoon.

Timmy,

The purpose of this board is WIKIPEDIA CRITICISM and not to show you WO comrades how "funny" you are. Because you are not.

Best Regards, your shitty fake side admin.

[CrowsNest]

( Incoherent sputter...)

Biff! Point scored.

Cute.

What other funny noises can you make?

[CrowsNest]

I would feel better discussing sanctions if I saw some evidence that the Arbs are playing this fair.

The victim's feelings don't matter, member?

[Graaf Statler]

Well, we had a major rebellion that demanded Justice For Fram and an end to T&S civility bans. As a result, as of now, we have a promise that T&S will conduct a forthcoming community consultation on its one year, one project ban and we have the ArbCom bending over backward to deal with a redacted record that makes it impossible to tell what Fram actually did or whether this is just a case of a Laura Hale complaint camouflaged by parallel complaints against Fram from a few of her allies.

(coloured by me.)

[CrowsNest]

Well, we had a major rebellion that demanded Justice For Fram and an end to T&S civility bans. As a result, as of now, we have a promise that T&S will conduct a forthcoming community consultation on its one year, one project ban and we have the ArbCom bending over backward to deal with a redacted record that makes it impossible to tell what Fram actually did or whether this is just a case of a Laura Hale complaint camouflaged by parallel complaints against Fram from a few of her allies.

(coloured by me.)

It should be pretty funny, watching Wikipediocracy try to row this bullshit back. Really had for their recruitment efforts.

[CrowsNest]

SilkTork seems to say that, according to the T&S report, the only objectionable thing Fram did after being warned was his "fuck ArbCom" comment. I don't think we knew that

Since when have you fuckwits known shit about shit? Our there somewhere is a diff where someone laid out all the crazy bad shit Fram did just in May 2019, of which his now infamous attack was but one incident, and even there, that comment didn't come out of the blue, it was part of a whole series of abusive posts. Since that was when they investigation began, how the fuck could you possibly think it doesn't contain all that shit? You honestly think they didn't start with his most recent edits?

You lot are complete and utter retards. You need the baby go sleep now injections. It would be a public service.

[CrowsNest]

It may be worth noting that even the idea Fram didn't misuse his tools in blocking GorillaWarfare is probably open to question.

In his attempted justification, he went far beyond the narrow question of whether what she had done was a personal attack, and into the wider issues of who was doing what and why between her and Kudpung, and whether or not things could justifiably be called misogyny or a campaign etc.

It's tough to draw the line between policy interpretation and personal analysis, but it was clear he had a strong opinion on the content dispute as it were, namely the content and meaning of the attacks flying to and fro, and perhaps therefore, even an opinion on the wider wikipolitical issues in play.

What cannot be disputed is that he deployed the block button even though all these things were being hammered out by the community, as he was well aware.

Even if he didn't intend to his block to look like it was motivated by personal feelings, a desire to act in a way that others already discussing it could not, and beat those who could but had not yet declared an intention either way, to the punch, it sure could be interpreted that way by a reasonable observer. And a big part of his problem is that that issue only gets worse due to his incessant need to fight anyone who disagrees with his interpretations of events after he has blocked.

That whole AN/I thread as an absolute train wreck, people are kidding themselves if they think it can be neatly summarized as Fram made a "bad block", swiftly corrected. There was far more to it than that, specifically there was far more verbiage from Fram, and far more consternation over his actions than a mere single bad block swiftly reversed would suggest, hence the proposed 500 word restriction and the reflection that the community really has been letting him get away with being a real pain in the ass for far too long.