Wikipedia Sucks!

Kumioko wrote: So if so many people are putting crow on the foe's list due to his obsessive and inappropriate behavior, who does that show is the problem here.

I read an interesting piece over on Medium the other day.

It was about an IT company and their senior coder / developer. He wasn't always popular [far from it, at times], but people generally felt his pros outweighed the cons.

Staff retention at the company was a fair bit lower than industry average, and the owners often wondered why they were unable to recruit more Grade-A talent.

And then one day they kicked out their senior coder / developer. Unfortunately he'd become too obnoxious for his own good.

The effect on company culture was both astonishing and rapid: staff retention shot up; highly-skilled professionals bombarded HR with their resumes; productivity soared, as did the quality of goods and services delivered.

Anyone wrote:I read an interesting piece over on Medium the other day.

That would be useful to prove banning some admins will benefit the encyclopedia. Do you still have the link?

Anyone wrote:

Kumioko wrote: So if so many people are putting crow on the foe's list due to his obsessive and inappropriate behavior, who does that show is the problem here.

I read an interesting piece over on Medium the other day.

It was about an IT company and their senior coder / developer. He wasn't always popular [far from it, at times], but people generally felt his pros outweighed the cons.

Staff retention at the company was a fair bit lower than industry average, and the owners often wondered why they were unable to recruit more Grade-A talent.

And then one day they kicked out their senior coder / developer. Unfortunately he'd become too obnoxious for his own good.

The effect on company culture was both astonishing and rapid: staff retention shot up; highly-skilled professionals bombarded HR with their resumes; productivity soared, as did the quality of goods and services delivered.

I'm not surprised, one person with a bad attitude can have a severe impact on morale. Wikipedia is having that problem. I attribute the toxic culture, low recruitment, high attrition of editors to the negative impact of many admins (and some editors to like beyond my Ken and binksternet). Of course complacency of the WMF is a factor as well. Getting rid of just a few of the bad admins will have a huge impact on editor morale and in no time wikipedia would be thriving again.

Kumioko wrote:

Anyone wrote:

Kumioko wrote: So if so many people are putting crow on the foe's list due to his obsessive and inappropriate behavior, who does that show is the problem here.

I read an interesting piece over on Medium the other day.

It was about an IT company and their senior coder / developer. He wasn't always popular [far from it, at times], but people generally felt his pros outweighed the cons.

Staff retention at the company was a fair bit lower than industry average, and the owners often wondered why they were unable to recruit more Grade-A talent.

And then one day they kicked out their senior coder / developer. Unfortunately he'd become too obnoxious for his own good.

The effect on company culture was both astonishing and rapid: staff retention shot up; highly-skilled professionals bombarded HR with their resumes; productivity soared, as did the quality of goods and services delivered.

I'm not surprised, one person with a bad attitude can have a severe impact on morale. Wikipedia is having that problem. I attribute the toxic culture, low recruitment, high attrition of editors to the negative impact of many admins (and some editors to like beyond my Ken and binksternet). Of course complacency of the WMF is a factor as well. Getting rid of just a few of the bad admins will have a huge impact on editor morale and in no time wikipedia would be thriving again.

RE: I'm not surprised, one person with a bad attitude can have a severe impact on morale.

Yes, this is called the Prima Donna Effect or Prima Donna Syndrome.

RE: I attribute the toxic culture, low recruitment, high attrition of editors to the negative impact of many admins (and some editors to like beyond my Ken and binksternet).

Way more shit-faced editors than you've mentioned [Cassianto, for example], but I get your point.

Oh yeah I could fill the page with assholes. I just picked a few. Drmies, bbb23, fox, hjmitchell, floquenbum, beebledork, I mean the list goes on!

Kumioko wrote:Oh yeah I could fill the page with assholes. I just picked a few. Drmies, bbb23, fox, hjmitchell, floquenbum, beebledork, I mean the list goes on!

Hey there -- I've been planning for a while to start 2 new threads.

The first would be about the Demon Butcher of Fleet Street [Drmies] and his sidekick, the Great Butcher of Babylon [Bbb23]. I'd need to analyse this scum and their ilk, and grade them in terms of their butchering skills. I'm talking of course about editors who specialize in content removal.

The second thread could be about King Wankers -- a Top Ten list of Wikipedia's most repulsive filth.

Maybe I'll do it one day next week.

Anyone wrote:

Kumioko wrote:Oh yeah I could fill the page with assholes. I just picked a few. Drmies, bbb23, fox, hjmitchell, floquenbum, beebledork, I mean the list goes on!

Hey there -- I've been planning for a while to start 2 new threads.

The first would be about the Demon Butcher of Fleet Street [Drmies] and his sidekick, the Great Butcher of Babylon [Bbb23]. I'd need to analyse this scum and their ilk, and grade them in terms of their butchering skills. I'm talking of course about editors who specialize in content removal.

The second thread could be about King Wankers -- a Top Ten list of Wikipedia's most repulsive filth.

Maybe I'll do it one day next week.

Those both sound like extremely good topics. Just a recommendation about the the Bbb23 thread, but I would recommend including instances of his violations of the Checkuser policy.

Mod note: censored the usual off-topic Kumioko complaints about Crow, so the rest above can stay.

The forum already has active threads on Drmies and Bbb23, where their hack a day keeps the Wikipedian in work, rest and play philosophy is well documented. Could probably do with some summarising if you have it, but only if it's good work, because they above all find it easy to dismiss sloppy work. I mean, they also dismiss good work, but no reason to make it easy for them, right?

What serious criticism site wouldn't have a thread on, say, Drmies? (Wikipediocracy, Kumioko's previous home, where he apparently had all the time in the world to do decent work, because I wasn't there)

Mod note: censored response to Kumioko's complaining.

Anyone wrote:The first would be about the Demon Butcher of Fleet Street [Drmies] and his sidekick, the Great Butcher of Babylon [Bbb23]. I'd need to analyse this scum and their ilk, and grade them in terms of their butchering skills. I'm talking of course about editors who specialize in content removal.

Good idea and great titles
I'll have some to add to those:

http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10592&start=250#p252636
https://en.wikiscan.org/utilisateur/Bbb23
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https://en.wikiscan.org/utilisateur/Drmies
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https://en.wikiscan.org/user/Volunteer%20Marek
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Refs:
Bbb23 thread
Drmies
"The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: drmies." Infamous, apparently.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10789&p=252637&hilit=bbb23#p252637
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9571&p=252526&hilit=bbb23#p252526

JuiceBeetle wrote:

Anyone wrote:The first would be about the Demon Butcher of Fleet Street [Drmies] and his sidekick, the Great Butcher of Babylon [Bbb23]. I'd need to analyse this scum and their ilk, and grade them in terms of their butchering skills. I'm talking of course about editors who specialize in content removal.

Good idea and great titles
I'll have some to add to those:

http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10592&start=250#p252636
https://en.wikiscan.org/utilisateur/Bbb23
Article diffs excluding reverts -12 M
https://en.wikiscan.org/utilisateur/Drmies
Article diffs excluding reverts -51 M
https://en.wikiscan.org/user/Volunteer%20Marek
Article diffs excluding reverts -7.3 M

Refs:
Bbb23 thread
Drmies
"The following words in your search query were ignored because they are too common words: drmies." Infamous, apparently.
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10789&p=252637&hilit=bbb23#p252637
http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9571&p=252526&hilit=bbb23#p252526

Thanks for this.

I'll try to re-start this thread either later today or over the weekend. More to follow!