What's with the hostility of the Discord?

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What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by whattheheck » Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:02 pm

and what's with these terrible, overly pretentious admins? Ferret? GeneralizedNotability? And also a "a disabled queer trans leftist Jewish woman"????

Are Wikipedia admins just a group of mentally deranged folk? Haven't seen a more bizarre group in my life

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by boredbird » Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:11 pm

whattheheck wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:02 pm
Are Wikipedia admins just a group of mentally deranged folk?
Yes.

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by whattheheck » Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:07 am

boredbird wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:11 pm
whattheheck wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 11:02 pm
Are Wikipedia admins just a group of mentally deranged folk?
Yes.
Do they have jobs outside of Wikipedia? One of them, namely Theresnotime, actually works for WMF.

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by ericbarbour » Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:48 am

whattheheck wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:07 am
Do they have jobs outside of Wikipedia? One of them, namely Theresnotime, actually works for WMF.
Many of them work in IT professionally. A remarkably large number are basement-dwelling gamers with low-level jobs. No matter the background, if they kiss the asses of their fellow Wikipedians with sufficient aggressiveness, the WMF ends up hiring them, or giving them contractor positions. I could list them but it's a LONG list. And they tend not to last very long, the WMF being a hopelessly political and dysfunctional outfit.

What you see on the WP Discord channels is only a tiny sample of the deeper craziness on their private IRC channels.

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by Jennsaurus » Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:30 pm

Knowing what I know now about that website, I am really surprised we haven't seen a murder yet, especially of a female editor stalked by a disturbed male administrator. The main problem with that site is that most of the hard-core editors live in something of a fantasy world where they believe that Wikipedia is the real world. They take slights on the website as personal attacks against them and go out of their way to investigate, discover, and uncover details about other people using the website. What is dangerous is that they believe they have some type of real authority, like law enforcement, empowering them to do these things because they hold some title on Wikipedia given to them by the online community.

Just on the surface, I found four stalking attempts, including one pretty serious one where two men showed up at a female editor's home after tracing her ip address and figuring out where she lived in England. A similar case in Norway of a woman approached outside her home as well as numerous reports of people getting calls at home and at work by upset editors who had determined their identities and traced their contact information.

If you use that website, just assume that the edits are being traced and PII is being revealed. If you are a woman, stay very far away from Wikipedia especially if you've drawn the attention of a male editor who thinks you are a "threat to the project", as the saying goes.

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by ericbarbour » Fri Oct 07, 2022 12:38 am

Jennsaurus wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:30 pm
Just on the surface, I found four stalking attempts, including one pretty serious one where two men showed up at a female editor's home after tracing her ip address and figuring out where she lived in England. A similar case in Norway of a woman approached outside her home as well as numerous reports of people getting calls at home and at work by upset editors who had determined their identities and traced their contact information.
You're not talking about the MoiraMoira scandal, are you? Because that's ANOTHER major stalking incident.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Request ... d_JurgenNL

There was also the infamous Andrew Morrow. He got out of prison recently, I think it was his fifth stint in jail. He was threatening at least one female WP admin--and a long list of other women.

Not to mention an editor called Law (later "The Undertow") who was outed and doxed by another admin. Out of pure personal hatred. Said other admin became a WMF contract employee.

There is no official list of internal stalking incidents on WMF servers. They want it all covered up. And because SOME OF THE INSIDERS ENGAGED IN IT THEMSELVES, they have an incentive-squared to maintain secrecy. Assembling such a list would be impossible, even if the wall of silence was magically torn down. Wikipedia has yet to produce its Edward Snowden.

Plus, numerous crazy Wikipedia editors and insiders have screamed "DOXING AND STALKING" whenever anyone had the temerity to criticize their lunatic activities. Ashley van Haeften is especially notorious, but hundreds of them have pulled that trick.

Wikipedia is not merely a nut magnet. It is one of the most powerful nut magnets the internet has ever produced.

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by badmachine » Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:10 am

oh the MoiraMoira scandal. the ED article on Former Bureaucratic Fucks is nice because of the pix and links, and to reduce the size of the memory hole. in addition to JurgenNL and TBloemink IRL stalking MoiraMoira, Trijnstel emailed oversighted pix to the miscreants to further their stalking efforts. the link to gmane.org is dead, here's an archive: https://archive.ph/t26y6 ... also there's the Commons version of ANU thread on Trijnstel here

there was also the dogfucker who sent the Anvil Email to Poetlister/the Poethorde. the link from ED is likely dead given the abrupt departure of Encyc, but here's an archive: https://archive.ph/rkFao and another: https://archive.ph/Usg6P

there are more examples, Eric listed some above. others are more successfully covered up

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by boredbird » Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:35 pm

badmachine wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:10 am
there was also the dogfucker
I hope you don't mean that literally?

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by ericbarbour » Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:19 pm

boredbird wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:35 pm
badmachine wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:10 am
there was also the dogfucker
I hope you don't mean that literally?
heh heh heh.....yes he does. This is a useful link that I can post here, but almost nowhere else.
https://encyclopediadramatica.online/FT2

And as for Discord, all I can say is, aaagggghhhhh. Logged in today just to check a couple of things, and it's now one of the worst websites of all time. You can't even right-click on it, take a screenshot, copy text, or anything. They are going to insane lengths to keep it "as private as possible". While also logging IP addresses and tracking users and pulling various dirty tricks on users. Because it was started by furries and gamer nerds, other nerds think it's a "safe space". Hah.

https://www.newsweek.com/discord-furrie ... es-1323099

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Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?

Post by wexter » Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:34 am

Re: What's with the hostility of the Discord?
Discord = hostility! one is a synonym of the other;
It should be of no surprise that hostility, rather than harmony, would be found on a product called Discord.

Of course, the folks at "Discord" claim their mission is "harmony" which is antipodal to reality.

https://discord.com/company#:~:text=Dis ... he%20world.
We want you to build genuine relationships with your friends and communities close to home or around the world. Original, reliable, playful, and relatable
Nah, the mission of Discord is totally untrue; Discord is a time-sink just like Wikipedia, where free content gets generated by free labor for profit
Discord has millions of people creating places for their friends and communities, talking for upwards of 4 hours per day on the platform. Discord is now where the world talks, hangs out, and builds relationships
I mentioned being antipodal (or doing the exact opposite of the stated narrative) before;
Wikipedia's purpose is to benefit readers by acting as a widely accessible and free encyclopedia; a comprehensive written compendium that contains information on all branches of knowledge. The goal of a Wikipedia article is to present a neutrally written summary of existing mainstream knowledge in a fair and accurate manner with a straightforward, "just-the-facts style". Articles should have an encyclopedic style with a formal tone instead of essay-like, argumentative, promotional or opinionated writing.
The narrative/mission of Wikipedia is the exact opposite, antipodal, to what is true.

Antipodes stick;
"There's no doubt it was a terrorist act directed at the destruction of critically important civilian infrastructure of the Russian Federation," Putin

A strategic target bombed off hours with minimal civilian casualties then justifies through a discordant narrative, the terrorist/destruction of civilian infrastructure, the killing of non-combatants, one hundred times over all taking place during rush hour as to maximize impact.

It's all the same thing. That is why I believe in plain speaking and doing rather than talking.
It is not merely unwise, it is contemptible, for a nation, as for an individual, to use high-sounding language to proclaim its purposes, or to take positions which are ridiculous if unsupported by potential force, and then to refuse to provide this force. If there is no intention of providing and keeping the force necessary to back up a strong attitude, then it is far better not to assume such an attitude. Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe doctrine.
In a day or minute; "virtual worlds" such as "Discord and Wikipedia" might be realized (truthfully) as totally moot.

Because of Ian, and for me, From September 23rd to yesterday - the Internet held no meaning - and it was nice living a 1970's type existence.

At some point in the very near future the Internet, Wikipedia, and Discord will have no meaning for many people because they will have to cope with a changed physical world reality.
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