Wikipedia Sucks!

Vig wrote:Yeah...

About that.

While there exists a department at the WMF named Trust and Safety, I think it’s clear to see that other social media companies staff their Trust and Safety departments with competent personnel who have proven real world experience in doing this work.

The manager of WMF’s “Trust and Safety” group was desysopped on de.wp for being a fuckhead.
Nobody in that “department” could land land a similar job in a real company.

They don’t have the experience, education, qualifications, or temperament for it.

Once again, like the engineering department, the WMF hires the dregs of whoever spends time on IRC.

Pinokkio troll bot wrote:On the other hand, T&S has my full and unswerving support for the Giraffe Stapler SanFranBan.

That guy is nuts. Swivel eyed loon indeed.

<blockquote>
Indeed, I have not seen you literally threatening other contributors. But, I have observed the sum of your activity in certain areas of interest (like copyvios, for example, or automated editing) having a similar effect to that of a threat: causing contributors to be scared to continue to contribute in fear of being constantly monitored and later attacked through community process, and eventually driving them away. From what I've seen, you are very good at spotting problematic edits and editing patterns; the issue is with the way and the perseverance with which you appear to approach the editors responsible for them. In many cases, even if your concerns have been valid, their raising has been done with a degree of abruptness, repetition, scrutiny and persistence that feels like hounding to the person on the receiving end, and causes them to abandon the project or limit their contributions. Now, I don't think this is your intention, but this does seem to be the result in several cases, hence the warning. So, I'm not saying you should stop trying to improve En.WP., only that in doing so you also consider how your activity and approach impacts the users you address and other readers of your comments, and how it contributes to an unfriendly volunteering environment that discourages them from returning to it.

— Kalliope, WMF T&S, Warning email to Fram based on offwiki complaint by unnamed editors, April, 2018</blockquote>

Vig wrote:Nobody in that “department” could land land a similar job in a real company.

Joker Vigilant wrote:James Alexander built a castle of incompetence on a foundation of dipshits.
He hired the current crop of fart-huffing morons.

He and HR both deserve nothing but contempt for what they've wrought.

Loser Vig wrote:For the record crow, I enjoy your posts.

Abd and the swivel eyed loon are tedious in their unhinged utterings.

Kiss kiss

BURob13 wrote:A 48 hours ban on TRM about 3-4 years ago would have caused him not to become the way he is. We've taught him there are no boundaries.

....... There was a recent case where Fram's conduct was part of the FoFs and the remedies, and I voted against them. I didn't do that because I wasn't concerned about Fram. I did it because if we're going to discuss Fram, then le's do it in a case about Fram. ....... Katietalk 14:26, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

However, this case isn't about Fram or Bbb23. It's about GiantSnowman, and these proposed FoFs are a sideshow. Katietalk 14:01, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

The_Adversary wrote:I would quite have understood it if he had been blocked, say, for a week or two for his "Fuck arb.com" remark when he was already cautioned. I think most people would have.

Fuck ArbCom which doesn't even understand their own messages and again give themselves powers they don't have. First it was deletions, then it was mandatory 2FA, inbetween it is loads of evidence of utter incompetence in many of its members (witness the statement by AGK above, but also some of the comments at e.g. the Rama case request). Just crawl into a corner and shut up until the community asks you to do something within your remit, but don't try to rule enwiki as if you have the right and the competence to do so. Or collectively resign. But don't give us any more of this bullshit. Fram (talk) 07:39, 4 May 2019 (UTC)