JuiceBeetle wrote:Graaf Statler wrote:I have left here for the time being
After your promise of leaving, then yesterday's
series of insane rants and requests to be blocked:
You are blocked for 3 days, however phpBB can block only for 1 day or a week, so it's a week then. Take your time to walk in nature and meditate. Let go of this mental state.
This is not a block notice, but it's related. When blocked here, Statler jumped back on the WPO Discord server, and was tolerated there, within limits. I deleted offensive posts outside of the Flame Wars channel, where he was allowed to say WTF he wanted, except he could not use the f word, there is a filter that unceremoniously dumps a comment with that word in it. Mostly ignored by those he was railing against, particularly Juice and me, he eventually left the server, once again trashing the role he had been given that allowed him to see everything and comment in certain places. It's a question whether or not the owners will give it to him again, they have been supportive of the lost puppy, but they also gave me the power to delete (which ordinary moderators do not have on that server.) So this was Graaf's last message on the server
(times are GMT-4, Sept 11, 2019, and this was in the L1 channel, the-smithery, which is the most public. Anyone can see it on request, except that Anyone can't, unless he creates a sock, which could be done. L1 is not particularly protected.):
[2:56 AM] Myself:A, a few days. Strange no one comes to sucks now!
[2:56 AM] Myself:Everyone blocked, safe, they all must now run in I suppose.
[4:46 AM] Myself:Guy, It is time to leave this discord house again because it's all f* boring and f* trolly trol and I have better things to do. And of Sucks I have trow away my password, if thinks are normal again there I'll will reset it. [...]
Basic rule on all fora: Do not insult the owner, and do not insult agents of the owner. If an authorized agent of the owner warns against some action, do not violate that warning, and agents, generally, have discretion. There are ways to appeal, always, though sometimes they are off-forum. On Wikipedia, admins are appointed by the community, albeit through a process where the theoretical sovereign is not actually represented, and
The Community is blocked. But still the principle applies.
Fora like this generally grant high freedom of speech, and criticizing a moderator is allowed. However, operational defiance of warnings, we can expect, is not allowed, and that this is not stated in the "rules" is like stating that a dropped object will not fall because the law of gravity was never formally stated.
In the U.S., you can raise a middle finger to a police officer, and legally they can't arrest you for it, (but it can still be foolish -- officers break the law sometimes,
and a professor of mine was badly beaten when he asked to see the ID of an officer.).
But if the officer says, "put that finger down, this could incite a riot," and you don't put the finger down, off you go to the hoosegow. Refusal to obey a lawful order is a crime, even though the behavior itself is not a crime. Police have discretion, and so do forum moderators and administrators.
On the Discord server, Statler explicitly acknowledged trolling (and threatened more of the same). Trolling is not criticism, it is deliberate offense, ordinarily without any redeeming value at all. There are those who enjoy flame wars. They are part of the problem even when they don't do it themselves.
So congratulations to JuiceBeetle for beginning to set limits. Wikipedia criticism will go nowhere until and unless it develops gravitas and discipline. It takes time and it will take patience.