Wikipedians are unable to establish any coherent definition for "incel"

[suckadmin]

Sure doing the one thing one time isn't going to automatically make you Johnny Rotten but the growing problem with social media is the "algorithm" will amplify certain and often negative content especially for impressionable minds and not just incel culture

[journo]

Sure doing the one thing one time isn't going to automatically make you Johnny Rotten but the growing problem with social media is the "algorithm" will amplify certain and often negative content especially for impressionable minds and not just incel culture

I agree social media algorithms are messed up. Not an authority on tiktok but from what little I've seen it seems to be the usual body insecurity for that age looking for words. If they pick up non-harmful PSL culture words (literally just means "Maxxing looks", nothing insidious about that word), but don't sign up for the forums, I don't see the issues. Also, I don't think any of them are doing any of the harmful practices like "bonesmashing".

In other words, millions of insecure people using edgy words and making them innocent rather than an insidious subculture led by FaceandLMS or whoever making millions on TikTok insecure without being on TikTok.

Tiktok is the most heavily moderated social media site I've ever seen, any genuine blackpill incel content would get removed fast.

[suckadmin]

Tiktok is the most heavily moderated social media site I've ever seen, any genuine blackpill incel content would get removed fast.

Is it? Also the researcher that is making this claim has issues with other sites besides tiktok

Within minutes, TikTok users may be bombarded with videos that promote suicide and gendered hate speech. One 2021 research report found young YouTube users will sometimes be suggested incel-related videos by YouTube’s algorithm within just five hops when starting from a non incel-related video.

[journo]

Tiktok is the most heavily moderated social media site I've ever seen, any genuine blackpill incel content would get removed fast.

Is it? Also the researcher that is making this claim has issues with other sites besides tiktok

Within minutes, TikTok users may be bombarded with videos that promote suicide and gendered hate speech. One 2021 research report found young YouTube users will sometimes be suggested incel-related videos by YouTube’s algorithm within just five hops when starting from a non incel-related video.

Pre-X Twitter accurately had a collective eyeroll when some third wave feminists were trying to insist "chad" and "stacy" word usage denotes incel status or media content. Even though those words were heavily used on PSL forums (and also heavily used on blackpill incel forums), their usage precedes those forums and a wide variety of people use the terms to describe what amounts to high school stereotypes, not an ideology. But even if it was, it's not PSL exclusive or even PSL-birthed ideology.

The major blackpill incel "looksmaxxing" content producers either quit the public sphere out of shame, denied their names and ran to echo chambers like X, or were castigated by their own parents in media outlets till they quit.

e.g. https://web.archive.org/web/20240422102 ... drew-tate/

(curiously this article was deleted, but I doubt they quoted his parents out of context)

(Additionally, quite a bit of info about Sam Wheatley, aka Wheat Waffles, seems to be expunged from this internet, which is weird given he seems most indirectly responsible for Jake Davison's killings. Jake had nicknamed himself after Sam's alter ego and was obsessed with his content encouraging people like him to give up on life because of 'genetic inferiorities')

Sam quit making his psuedo-intellectual, ultra-right-wing, blackpill-in-spirit looksmaxxing content along with the other major blackpill incel looksmaxxing creators like Incel TV and FaceandLMS.

[suckadmin]

So they aren't on tiktok so much because of tiktok's moderation as being shamed for being chads or called out for it from their parents?

[journo]

So they aren't on tiktok so much because of tiktok's moderation as being shamed for being chads or called out for it from their parents?

The genuine blackpill incel looksmaxxing stuff, not the people making it innocent, is banned from TikTok by policy. They have a policy to ban that type of content. And it is enforced. YouTube, however, does not have such a policy. At the same time, almost every major blackpill incel looksmax content creator on YouTube had their account closed, either directly after a media outing, or for no obvious reason. (other than maybe for the fact they had been doing it for 9+ years and couldn't even win against pick-up-artists in debates)

Sam was a pizza driver as far as I remember from his content. I don't know if he was sexually successful or not, or if he even ever had sex. He isn't ugly though, but neither are many of the blackpillers or blackpill-adjacent people, including those who are sexless without paying for it legally.

[suckadmin]

The genuine blackpill incel looksmaxxing stuff, not the people making it innocent, is banned from tiktok by policy.

I'm not sure being obsessed with looks (at any age let alone teenagers) even if it's genuinely or innocently unrelated to incels is a good thing.. just clicking around I saw some list of 4 things to improve looks and number four was have zero body fat... lol

[journo]

The genuine blackpill incel looksmaxxing stuff, not the people making it innocent, is banned from tiktok by policy.

I'm not sure being obsessed with looks (at any age let alone teenagers) even if it's genuinely or innocently unrelated to incels is a good thing.. just clicking around I saw some list of 4 things to improve looks and number four was have zero body fat... lol

ok if TikTok is failing in general from a moral standpoint then I'll hand that to you. I just know typing in stuff that would otherwise direct to genuine blackpill incel content yields either a safety message or related and no content under that specific name. I don't see that amount of attempted censorship on any other social media site. Same with similar stuff like pro-ana.

[suckadmin]

He isn't ugly though, but neither are many of the blackpillers or blackpill-adjacent people, including those who are sexless without paying for it legally.

Right well they seem to be missing an important point when it comes to relationships which is not being a douche

[badmachine]

i can provide the wikipedians definition: "an incel is anyone we dont like"