Fram

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Only a lonely 1 on sucks...

Sucks to suck.

On please. You're the tabloid, we're the broadsheet. Simple as that.

The fuck is even on your thread that hasn't already been said by a Wikipediot on GriefCentral anyway? Your target audience is what it always was - mooks, gawpers, and people who love to have them some of Tarantino's bin juice.

Did any of you even have a clue Fram had narrowly escaped censure by ArbCom in January? Before I said it here of course? Appended to the thread where I said it in January.

I used to write for your shitty little tabloid. I got bored of offering pearls to the swine.....

http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... =14&t=8951

Fram causes Ymblanter to resign as an admin

This was a clear case of Wikihounding. Been going on for months. Numerous chances to stop it were passed on by Wikipedia's admins, and even ArbCom.

Sucks to be the sort of critic whose knowledge of Fram stopped at Visual Editor, and thus cannot conceive of any other reason why he might have been banned, other than the WMF clearing the way for a 2.0 something.

MOOK FOOD. GET YOUR MOOK FOOD HERE.

That I just happen to be one of the most vocal and efficient critics of the WMF is probably a pure coincidence (sorry to tout my own horn here, but in this case it needs to be said).......Basically, this one-year ban is at the same time a means to silence one of their most vocal (and fact-based, consistently supporting WMF criticism with many examples of what goes wrong) critics

If Fram is looking for a critic forum to post on now as he has implied, it's clear which one will give him the easiest ride, and which one will provide him with a real test of his mettle.

Oh, and time was, Wikipediocracy was the place where the victims of Wikipedia went. Well, you've never had Fram, and nobody there seems to be the mystery RAT, so just who is your place for? Sucks to be the sort of critic who cares more about who is reading, than who is writing.

While you're busy trying to suck your own dick, I'll content myself that when I write about someone like Fram over here, I get the sort of feedback you half-assed Muppets could only dream of.....

Just like to throw this out—I've been a member of this forum for quite a while but have never posted. This is a hell of a better than Wikipediocracy and the criticism of Wikipedia here is something I can align myself with. In a way it makes me feel happier that we're in the same boat.

We take Wikipedians as members, as long as they're ready to deal with the truth, as this man was. We'd have more, but sensing the threat I posed to your sponsorship deals with Wikipedian's favourite brands, Tarantino had me silenced. Upsetting the locals, apparently. Didn't want no part of little old me, with my nasty habit of remembering shit.

Ever tried that, Vigilant? Ever taken a look around you and wondered, where the hell did all the critics go, and where the fuck did all these Arbitrators, CheckUsers and Administrators come from?

This place doesn't ban people for disagreeing with the residents. This place doesn't consider giving Wikipedians a dose of reality to be a hostile act. This place isn't swarming with Arbitrators and CheckUsers and Administrators all seemingly unafraid of the locals, not even you.

Sucks to be the digital equivalent of a tree house fan club. Sucks to have nothing better to say about your credentials than you're popular. As Rogol liked to say, sure but are you achieving anything?

If Fram comes here, his stock will go up with anyone who matters, if he can hold his own. If he turns up at your place to have a pillow fight with you and your preteen wannabes, or join in with your campaign to get revenge on the RAT, well, we'll know what he was really made of, what his Wikipedia career was really all about.

I'm just waiting for Jake to explain how this is all about Trump, and I can stick a fork in that thread.

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Unblocked by Fram.

You hesitated? I don't think you did sonny boy.

I hesistate to make this comparison, because this is many orders of magnitude less important. I am not equating them and me, just trying to explain the general point. But I do recall many people thought that sitting at lunch counters where you weren't welcome was needlessly disruptive and provocative, and that discussion and persuasion where what was really needed. I really, really do not want to be part of a system where "the WMF [gets to] insist that the casualties stay dead". So if I'm permanently desysopped, I wouldn't want to be a sysop anyway. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Poor old Fram. Wouldn't be so hilarious if he hadn't so recently literally said nigger on Wikipedia.

Does rather explain why Floquenbeam is blind to the crimes of black Jew Malik Shabbaz though......

They got woke on their woke, in a whole bowl of wokeflakes.

All they're missing is who are the actual victims in all this.

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Now the spotlight is on LauraHale. I remember reading that Fram was not welcome on her page, shortly after discovering this disinfo on Women in the Yellow vests movement: §. In fairness it wasn't LauraHale who added it, but Ipigott (§). I left the page never to return, classic wikipediant survival reaction to the smell of gamergates in the vicinity, I imagine.

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Floquenbeam to Fram.....

I do not understand enough about the background of the interaction ban to attempt to rescind that; while it may or may not be valid, I'm not lifting it, and you'd be wise to assume it is still in force until someone conclusively lifts it.

.....the implication being that he does know enough to rule the ban to be invalid?

Will be absolutely hilarious to watch him try to do that.

I mean, he's trying to be a clever dick and claim this unblock is him acting on consensus, but come on, seriously now. He could barely hide what he thought about it before anyone literally had a clue what it might have been for.

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Now the spotlight is on LauraHale. I remember reading that Fram was not welcome on her page, shortly after discovering this disinfo on Women in the Yellow vests movement: §. In fairness it wasn't LauraHale who added it, but Ipigott (§). I left the page never to return, classic wikipediant survival reaction to the smell of gamergates in the vicinity, I imagine.

Fram clearly wasn't banned for how they treated just one user, but it is hardly a surprise that the misogynist bin divers of Wikipediocracy and their Wikipedia cousins desperately want there to be an uppity women they can pin this tragedy of the sausage fest on.

I'm over here giving real evidence of a woman actually abusing Wikipedia in the name of the gender gap, with men and women of significant Wikipedia power literally quashing all dissent against Wade on Wikipedia, and they're not remotely interested. So come on, what's this really all about, you excitable scamps?

Are they actually Wikipedia critics, or do they just like frightening women for no good reason? I'm trying to make Jess Wade afraid, afraid of being exposed as the sloppy and sometimes even fraudulent editor, with unsound motives and undeserved recognition, that she obviously is. I can back up my claims. But they want no part of that. Don't even have a thread on it.

In their haste to find a women to beat on for toppling Fram, they've apparently uncovered the fact she reacts to criticism the same way Wade does. OK, so you're pissed about that, but silent on Wade? Fuck off. The fuck are they even trying to do? Unless they can put her hand on the block button, or prove that she lied or blackmailed the person whose hand it was, then she is not a legitimate target. Rummage through Fram's three year old garbage, you're gonna find worse than what he has done recently, by his own admission. Did they even notice that?

We know from Vigilant's posts about Abd's legal action that he doesn't actually care if people lie to the WMF to get them to issue bans, and he wants no part of any case that would force such things to come out of the realm of speculation and into the hands of independent auditors. So, y'know, get the fuck out of here trying to pretend you give a shit now.

Say something about Wade, if you want people to think you've really got what it takes to navigate the choppy waters of Wikipedia criticism, 2019 edition. Say something to Rob if you think he's protecting the wrong "victim". One of your own, remember.

Posting pictures of women for no good reason? Yeah, you're definitely the man to believe when it comes to the effectiveness of the TRUST AND SAFETY Department.

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Press
Has anyone contacted the press about this? I'm sure Wired or CNN online, etc. would love to hear how WMF is overriding/ignoring/bypassing long-established Wikipedia procedures, unilaterally blocking/banning/desysopping long-term admins in good standing, and refusing to openly discuss the matter. Softlavender (talk) 01:25, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The truth is a far more interesting story. The corporate owners of Wikipedia, faced with a volunteer Administrator making a series of repeatedly abusive and aggressive interactions over several years, which only seemed to be escalating despite the user receiving reminders and later warnings, took the unusual step of banning him directly and without warning and no possibility of appeal, stopping short of their ultimate reserved power, a lifetime ban from all Wikipedia sites, due to his long service and localised nature of the misconduct. Outraged by this perceived overstepping of their authority, and believing the charges against the Administrator to either be insignificant, overblown, or just an act of censorship of a vocal critic of the website's corporate owners, individual volunteers frustrated corporate efforts to ensure the user remained blocked, and collectively argued the matter should have been dealt with internally by the volunteers themselves, and to that end began demanding to know the identity of the user or users who had reported the Administrator privately, while also calling for action against the users the Administrator revealed as having been mentioned in his email correspondence with the corporation.I

Headline? The obvious one.....

WIKIPEDIA IN MELTDOWN; USERS REVOLTING

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Fram reblocked, Floquenbeam desysopped for 30 days, must reapply via RfA.

Predictably, someone has floated the suggestion people just keep unblocking until Wikipedia has no Administrators left.

There's a couple of flaws to this otherwise genius plan.....

- Wikipedia would not be completely out of Administrators, since the WMF has a few of their own, enough to cover their legal obligations and fight off mass attacks.

- Not all of the volunteer Administrators particularly give a shit about Fram's demise, notably Ritchie333

- The WMF can just promote new Administrators to replace any dumb enough to sacrifice their hard won rusty Sheriff's badge.

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Fram reblocked, Floquenbeam desysopped for 30 days, must reapply via RfA.

Predictably, someone has floated the suggestion people just keep unblocking until Wikipedia has no Administrators left.

There's a couple of flaws to this otherwise genius plan.....

- Wikipedia would not be completely out of Administrators, since the WMF has a few of their own, enough to cover their legal obligations and fight off mass attacks.

- Not all of the volunteer Administrators particularly give a shit about Fram's demise, notably Ritchie333

- The WMF can just promote new Administrators to replace any dumb enough to sacrifice their hard won rusty Sheriff's badge.

Excellent points.

Defending Fram is hard — he's pretty much the love child of the Vogon executioner, Sandstein, and Eric Corbett... But standing up for the principle that WMF has no business policing site behavior, that it is a matter for the volunteer community, is actually pretty easy.

RfB

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Sandstein, Eric Corbett

You can't just randomly name folks you don't like, that's guilt by association. What possible traits do you think Fram shares with these two, who themselves couldn't be more different? Use your words, Timmy.

standing up for the principle that WMF has no business policing site behavior, that it is a matter for the volunteer community, is actually pretty easy.

We'll see. If y'all really want the responsibility, then I'm sure the WMF will give it to you. Can I please have the real names and address of Floquenbeam and Bishonen? Asking for a friend. Loves wearing a wig and black gown, and always has a little wooden hammer. Odd fellow, but seems to be someone important.....

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I will certainly not be seeking to regain the admin bit until everyone who is desysopped for unblocking Fram is resysopped (if they want to be). Whether it's just Bish, or a half dozen admins, or all the admins; it isn't up to me anymore.

...Floquenbeam (talk) 02:27, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Duly noted.

Gotta write these things down, Wikipedians have a nasty habit of forgetting they ever said stuff like this when the dust has settled and they feel the urge to wear leather trousers and sport a whip again.