The "community" would actually look even worse if an uninitiated observer read that page and assumed they were even remotely serious.
Someone has called it childish, and it is an apt word. A timely reminder that on Wikipedia, some of these people might literally be children, and thus have no real concept of what a contractual relationship between a website owner and its users is even for, or any of the other adult concepts in play.
The other thing that just leaps off the page, is the sheer dishonesty. THE WMF HAVEN'T TOLD US ANYTHING. Yes they did, you Ritalin chewing motherfuckers. You just don't like it.
They're positively baffled by the WMF's need to use formal language. Would they prefer it if it was put in their own dialect? Phraseology that even now a good few of their Administrators refuse to believe is just inherently offensive to women (so excuse me, ladies!).......
FRAM WAS BANNED FOR BEING A CUNT EVEN AFTER WE ASKED AND THEN WARNED HIM TO STOP BEING A CUNT.
YOURS, THE BITCHES WHO OWN THIS WHOLE ROTTEN STINKING PLACE.
NOW GET BACK TO FUCKING WORK LIKE RITCHIE ALWAYS TELLS YOU TO.........
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Dammit Rosie, you know we weren't meant to reveal the name of our secret informant.
Ah, well, yeah OK Tamika, but fuck him, I'm not eating all this shit just for that shandy drinking poof.
Now. Pub?
Dang straight.
You know.
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Re: Fram
Here Vig, this is how you catches trolls who can not act.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... arget=Fram
Oldest edits: Now newbie, a experienced user how knows his way on Wikipedia, in short sock account of a Dutch user.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Fram
He seems to me from the centre of Holland, and om Discord was given a IP what confirms that. And if I see the username Ellywa, well than we are in the centre of woman power of WP-NL and the Dutch chapter.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_g ... Dr._Magnus
Lol. A fake fun account surrounds by chapter members on his talk page. Dr. Magnus. Toddlers.
Losers.
Contact with Moira on her user page, well...........
Low IQ, I said it before, simple a stupide grifter. Fuck yourself, Vig, you are just a fat, stupid troll with one and a half braincell.
And not any acting talent of course, what a shitshow again!
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... arget=Fram
Oldest edits: Now newbie, a experienced user how knows his way on Wikipedia, in short sock account of a Dutch user.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Fram
He seems to me from the centre of Holland, and om Discord was given a IP what confirms that. And if I see the username Ellywa, well than we are in the centre of woman power of WP-NL and the Dutch chapter.
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_g ... Dr._Magnus
Lol. A fake fun account surrounds by chapter members on his talk page. Dr. Magnus. Toddlers.
Losers.Contact with Moira on her user page, well...........
Vigtroll wrote:Baby Crow and the Swivel Eyed Loon can eat a bowl of dicks.
They knew exactly what I meant when they read it, but are attempting to stir up their own little LauraHale style dramah because they only have BingBot resident in any of their fora now.
Low IQ, I said it before, simple a stupide grifter. Fuck yourself, Vig, you are just a fat, stupid troll with one and a half braincell.
And not any acting talent of course, what a shitshow again!
Re: Fram
Um, for the people hoping the Board are going to side with THE PEOPLE, you might want to know what the Representative from Poland thinks of you......
Y'know, I'm getting the sense the Chair has a pretty good read on things......
Black Kite referred to Laura as "the person who was the complainant against Fram". Didn't suggest it, surmise it or allege it, just flat out states it as fact.
Black Kite also acted as the conduit for an off-site allegation on an unreliable source to suggest a conflict of interest exists between the Chair and Laura because of this supposed fact. As he could have figured out for himself I am sure, no conflict exists if it is not the Chair's role to process T&S investigations.
Lastly, if Black Kite is so concerned about conflicts of interest, is it not just fantastic that in the entire thing, he does not once declare that he is both a member of the bin diving website, and that he has made posts in that thread that demonstrate his extreme prejudice against the idea this ban could be a legitimate act of protecting a victim from an abuser.
Black Kite has not yet been blocked for his part in riling people up with his fake news and masquerade of being a disinterested observer, and likely never will be, because the inability of en.wiki to police its own police is the whole backdrop to this affair, is it not? If we have indeed dropped the whole conspiracy theory bullshit......
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As we ALL SHOULD KNOW from the rather more useful work done on the serious Wikipedia critic sites, not the bin diving stuff that seems to be Black Kite's reason for visiting rackoon central, Black Kite himself is the VERY LAST person to be challenging anyone in the movement about their motives or transparency. Glass houses, and all that.
We can also see he is still considered a trustworthy individual by ArbCom. Understandable then, that he and quite a few others, are sweating at the thought private complaints made directly to the WMF could now be a viable route for desysopping bad actors, for whom desysopping is the inevitable outcome based on the evidence.
Absent the standing (or desire) to file at ArbCom, the charges were put to Black Kite at Wikipediocracy by me. He plead ignorance at first. Because he is ignorant. And arrogant. I thinks you can all guess what the management did next. Protect the Wikipedia scum. Should be their goddamned motto, they do it so often.
If Fram stays blocked, you just keep yourself right Black Kite. No statute of limitations on any of this shit that I can see. Only wikicrimes that were never paid for.
HTD.
It came at a particularly disgusting part of proceedings, one that they've tried to hide away in the archives now the bin-diver Black Kite's "actual question" has been answered to his evident satisfaction (so he gets to mark it resolved himself, or course, because we're all here to see exactly how en.wiki does this whole self-governance thing, right?)As a rare visitor on en-wiki, I have to say that I'm continuously puzzled by the level of hostility, profanities and aggression that is accepted here, and that would have been banned on other language wikis. ...... The barrage of questions, assumptions and attacks here is overwhelming. AGF, and please, do not beat me down just because I put my head out. Pundit|utter 11:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Y'know, I'm getting the sense the Chair has a pretty good read on things......
The bad faith scenario that certain individuals are conjuring up is designed to get people riled up, but it has no basis in truth.
What has come out?All kinds of conflicts of interest noted in that thread Black Kite refers to in his OP, most of it visible on Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Did WMF really think none of this would come out? Softlavender (talk) 04:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Black Kite referred to Laura as "the person who was the complainant against Fram". Didn't suggest it, surmise it or allege it, just flat out states it as fact.
Black Kite also acted as the conduit for an off-site allegation on an unreliable source to suggest a conflict of interest exists between the Chair and Laura because of this supposed fact. As he could have figured out for himself I am sure, no conflict exists if it is not the Chair's role to process T&S investigations.
Lastly, if Black Kite is so concerned about conflicts of interest, is it not just fantastic that in the entire thing, he does not once declare that he is both a member of the bin diving website, and that he has made posts in that thread that demonstrate his extreme prejudice against the idea this ban could be a legitimate act of protecting a victim from an abuser.
Black Kite has not yet been blocked for his part in riling people up with his fake news and masquerade of being a disinterested observer, and likely never will be, because the inability of en.wiki to police its own police is the whole backdrop to this affair, is it not? If we have indeed dropped the whole conspiracy theory bullshit......
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As we ALL SHOULD KNOW from the rather more useful work done on the serious Wikipedia critic sites, not the bin diving stuff that seems to be Black Kite's reason for visiting rackoon central, Black Kite himself is the VERY LAST person to be challenging anyone in the movement about their motives or transparency. Glass houses, and all that.
We can also see he is still considered a trustworthy individual by ArbCom. Understandable then, that he and quite a few others, are sweating at the thought private complaints made directly to the WMF could now be a viable route for desysopping bad actors, for whom desysopping is the inevitable outcome based on the evidence.
Absent the standing (or desire) to file at ArbCom, the charges were put to Black Kite at Wikipediocracy by me. He plead ignorance at first. Because he is ignorant. And arrogant. I thinks you can all guess what the management did next. Protect the Wikipedia scum. Should be their goddamned motto, they do it so often.
If Fram stays blocked, you just keep yourself right Black Kite. No statute of limitations on any of this shit that I can see. Only wikicrimes that were never paid for.
HTD.
Re: Fram
Oh wow. Floquenbeam has now been resysopped, citing IAR, because apparently the WMF desysopping him for interfering with an OFFICE action without just cause was "moronic" - an actual en.wiki Bureaucrat's description.
Well, I guess now we know they think IAR applies so long as there is no local controversy.
These people. Trying their absolute hardest to get their entire "local' government nuked from orbit, is all that I can see. Arguably that should have happened when the Bureaucrats decided civility concerns are unimportant when it comes to RfA. But this will do fine as an alternate.
A bad time to point out a well functioning means of granting and removing advanced permissions has Section 230 immunity implications?
Well, I guess now we know they think IAR applies so long as there is no local controversy.
These people. Trying their absolute hardest to get their entire "local' government nuked from orbit, is all that I can see. Arguably that should have happened when the Bureaucrats decided civility concerns are unimportant when it comes to RfA. But this will do fine as an alternate.
A bad time to point out a well functioning means of granting and removing advanced permissions has Section 230 immunity implications?
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Re: Fram
>>Black Kite referred to Laura as "the person who was the complainant against Fram". Didn't suggest it, surmise it or allege it, just flat out states it as fact.
Oh, come on, you fucking troll. What are the odds that he is wrong? One percent or less than one percent??? I will take the under.
RfB
Oh, come on, you fucking troll. What are the odds that he is wrong? One percent or less than one percent??? I will take the under.
RfB
Re: Fram
Yup, definitely goading the WMF into getting out the nuclear strike codes. Apparently en.wiki is now an "autonomous community" with a desire "not be ruled by unelected officials".
Fuck these people. They want all of the benefits, but none of the responsibility.
Fuck these people. They want all of the benefits, but none of the responsibility.
Re: Fram
If the Wikipediocrats honestly cared about the issues they're supposedly finding in Laura's editing, they would have shown more interest in Jess Wade, who is virtually identical, and poses a greater threat to those who don't like uppity women editing Wikipedia.
They don't care though, because this is really only about Fram, or rather the perception that discrediting Laura as an editor can somehow damage the WMF on this issue. Stupid really, but this is how their tiny minds work, raised on WP:BATTLE as they have been. A conspiracy might damage them, but they've got nothing to stand that up, and so should have seen that failure coming a mile off.
If any more proof were needed this is about the WMF and not Laura, then as I am getting tired of pointing out, there is just as much if not more reason to suspect Ritchie is the RAT. They're not interested, because if it was Ritchie, there can't have been any grand conspiracy or fast-tracking. Just a pissed off Administrator getting a result denied him by the community and ArbCom, but as he never tired of saying, in the best interests for Wikipedia.
Ritchie will probably take it to the grave rather than be revealed as the sort of Wikipedian who does that, as if people don't already know his love of the left-field. Laura? I bet she wouldn't have minded telling people it was her even before the backlash made staying silent moot. If it were her.
They don't care though, because this is really only about Fram, or rather the perception that discrediting Laura as an editor can somehow damage the WMF on this issue. Stupid really, but this is how their tiny minds work, raised on WP:BATTLE as they have been. A conspiracy might damage them, but they've got nothing to stand that up, and so should have seen that failure coming a mile off.
If any more proof were needed this is about the WMF and not Laura, then as I am getting tired of pointing out, there is just as much if not more reason to suspect Ritchie is the RAT. They're not interested, because if it was Ritchie, there can't have been any grand conspiracy or fast-tracking. Just a pissed off Administrator getting a result denied him by the community and ArbCom, but as he never tired of saying, in the best interests for Wikipedia.
Ritchie will probably take it to the grave rather than be revealed as the sort of Wikipedian who does that, as if people don't already know his love of the left-field. Laura? I bet she wouldn't have minded telling people it was her even before the backlash made staying silent moot. If it were her.
Re: Fram
Higher than 75%. A bookie who doesn't look at all the facts, is asking to be fleeced.Carrite wrote:>>Black Kite referred to Laura as "the person who was the complainant against Fram". Didn't suggest it, surmise it or allege it, just flat out states it as fact.
Oh, come on, you fucking troll. What are the odds that he is wrong? One percent or less than one percent??? I will take the under.
Feel free to go and suggest to Black Kite what he meant to say was I am 99% certain though......
Re: Fram
Why are people so mystified that Fram could have been specifically accepted/tracked/chosen as a T&S target anyway? Not for being a vocal critic of the WMF, because frankly those are ten a penny in ShitHeel Central (Wikipedia has Cancer, remember ).
As anyone can see, anyone paying attention anyway, while lots of other notoriously bad editors and Administrators often have one or more characteristics Fram has, he was special because he had them all, in a perfect combination to make him the sort of user that cannot fail to generate lots of email complaints whatever dispute he was involved in, largely because people saw the futility of asking a generally disinterested community and reluctant ArbCom to do even the bare minimum required to make it possible to withstand an assault. And assaults they were. Relentless, officious, capricious, petty, febrile, opportunistic, assumptive, presumptive, arrogant, authoritarian, lengthy, combative, lawyery, uncaring and tone deaf.
Who thinks they know of a bigger problem user in terms of his sheer number of major faults, especially considering he was an Administrator?
Literally the only creditable thing you can say that Fram was not prone to doing that many other bad actors are, was ganging up on people. Largely because he basically saw himself as a one man band, chasing down whatever case he wanted to, regardless of any other known priorities or problems. Even then, it was uncanny how often be would happen to pick a user who was perhaps just coming to the end of an arduous AN/I now winding down. Not so much a pack hunter, but most definitely a scavenger.
Then there was his general love of drama. If he wasn't chasing down a target, and couldn't find something useful to do in the content space, it was pretty obvious he liked to just pick whatever the current drama of the day wss, and spew forth, that impulse ultimately sealing his fat. Obviously not being the only reason, as many are claiming now, like we're idiots
People are acting like him often being right is worth some kind of credit in his bank. Fuck off. That is how bad the situation has got on en.wiki, you don't even expect your Administrators to be usually right, it surprises you even, marking them out for much praise.
What probably came through loud and clear more than anything else on the T&S tip line, was how obvious it was that for Fram, it was so clearly just about the thrill of the chase, and the love of the drama. Nobody will ever be able to make a serious case that he was in it for the encyclopedia, to just prevent disruption and discord, for example.
I'm doing a disservice to him in a way, because he was much more than I have described here. But that's rather the point. Wikipedia has become incredibly efficient at identifying and ejecting the easy cases, the obvious problems. The issue has always been its unwillingness to tackle the Vested Contributor, and in the Administrator ranks, they don't come more invested than Fram. And I think he knew it, and took advantage of it. Not many out there casually ignoring a warning from Queen Bishonen. Only those who are pretty sure she's aware that to do anything would probably involve more effort and blood than was worth it.
).As anyone can see, anyone paying attention anyway, while lots of other notoriously bad editors and Administrators often have one or more characteristics Fram has, he was special because he had them all, in a perfect combination to make him the sort of user that cannot fail to generate lots of email complaints whatever dispute he was involved in, largely because people saw the futility of asking a generally disinterested community and reluctant ArbCom to do even the bare minimum required to make it possible to withstand an assault. And assaults they were. Relentless, officious, capricious, petty, febrile, opportunistic, assumptive, presumptive, arrogant, authoritarian, lengthy, combative, lawyery, uncaring and tone deaf.
Who thinks they know of a bigger problem user in terms of his sheer number of major faults, especially considering he was an Administrator?
Literally the only creditable thing you can say that Fram was not prone to doing that many other bad actors are, was ganging up on people. Largely because he basically saw himself as a one man band, chasing down whatever case he wanted to, regardless of any other known priorities or problems. Even then, it was uncanny how often be would happen to pick a user who was perhaps just coming to the end of an arduous AN/I now winding down. Not so much a pack hunter, but most definitely a scavenger.
Then there was his general love of drama. If he wasn't chasing down a target, and couldn't find something useful to do in the content space, it was pretty obvious he liked to just pick whatever the current drama of the day wss, and spew forth, that impulse ultimately sealing his fat. Obviously not being the only reason, as many are claiming now, like we're idiots
People are acting like him often being right is worth some kind of credit in his bank. Fuck off. That is how bad the situation has got on en.wiki, you don't even expect your Administrators to be usually right, it surprises you even, marking them out for much praise.
What probably came through loud and clear more than anything else on the T&S tip line, was how obvious it was that for Fram, it was so clearly just about the thrill of the chase, and the love of the drama. Nobody will ever be able to make a serious case that he was in it for the encyclopedia, to just prevent disruption and discord, for example.
I'm doing a disservice to him in a way, because he was much more than I have described here. But that's rather the point. Wikipedia has become incredibly efficient at identifying and ejecting the easy cases, the obvious problems. The issue has always been its unwillingness to tackle the Vested Contributor, and in the Administrator ranks, they don't come more invested than Fram. And I think he knew it, and took advantage of it. Not many out there casually ignoring a warning from Queen Bishonen. Only those who are pretty sure she's aware that to do anything would probably involve more effort and blood than was worth it.