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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:40 pm

There was also a comment in that thread by http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtop ... 791Midsize Jake. As usual, the 'pediot regulars have no care at all about fact, only about innuendo. Any comments? Comments are also open on the blog, and can be anonymous there, though pure trolling will not be allowed. (And, of course, everyone should know, about using the internet, that if you even look at a web page, IP and user agent information will be recorded in the raw access log and can be seen by site admin. (If they want to dig through megabytes of data for mostly useless information.) Mods here and presumably on WPO see IP, but user agent string and page reads would only be seen by domain admin.)

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:37 pm

Vigilant kept up the trolling on Wikipediocracy. Because it seems the topic was made member-only, I have copied it to wikitop.cc. Accounts on wikitop.cc are available on request, PM me (and you can pm me on Reddit, also).

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Carrite » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:31 am

So would it better to go after Jimbo with a hammer or with tongs? And would one get San Fran Banned for trying?

All these questions.

Thread 4.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:14 pm

Carrite wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:31 am
So would it better to go after Jimbo with a hammer or with tongs? And would one get San Fran Banned for trying?

All these questions.

Thread 4.
Better to go after the truth, instead of every trolling insult that Vagirunt can imagine, creating absolutely no sympathetic readership.

Funny, I was SF banned for documenting impersonation socking and cross-wiki attack, but I doubt that one would be office-banned for roasting Jimbo.

Of course, there was that Pricasso affair. And the Office is getting bolder and bolder. Too bad that getting smarter doesn't seem to be correlated with it.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by badmachine » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:09 pm

Carrite wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:31 am
So would it better to go after Jimbo with a hammer or with tongs? And would one get San Fran Banned for trying?

All these questions.

Thread 4.
why are you bumping these crap threads? we don't go to your place and bump old embarrassing threads so please knock it off. youve made your point thanks

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:50 pm

He does it because he is a troll collaborating with Vagirunt. He bumped the threads, making them active, and then where there was content calling for some response, I commented -- which was quick and did not create any new active topic links, merely replacing his name with mine -- and this was then used on WPO as some sort of proof of obsession. (Sucks is circling the drain -member link) (Off-site copy).

As if we care.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by ericbarbour » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:20 pm

I will say this, A: you have considerable tolerance for online idiocy. I would have just given up and walked, and left Vag to stew on Reddit.

(Is he blaming you for WPO's amazing sudden non-availability? Hmm.)
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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Abd » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:14 pm

Vilignat puts very little time into his comments, they are knee-jerk trollsnark, often with zero relevance to context. Shitposting. The kind of stuff that normally will get you banned on any forum with any sort of serious purpose. Reddit has subs with very low moderator supervision, if any. His Reddit profile shows, now, total focus on attack. He's attempting to suppress the reading of response, by claiming that coldfusioncommunity.net is a honey pot, to lure in unsuspecting naifs and . . . and what? So I'm going to pour over megabytes of access logs to notice that an IP read the blog and . . . I'll organize a DOS attack on that server? What? Attack my readers? Just because they read the blog. If they left trolling comments -- or if I was insane and they left sincere comments that I interpreted as attacks -- what would I do? However, if they leave evidence that they are attacking and harming others, I might dig up that evidence and use it.

Now, what I've found, it's become a near certainty, is that very few people are reading Vilignat and fewer give him any credence. But he can still create trouble, because there are reactive mods and admins who really don't care about evidence, poke them, they will jump to conclusions that serve the naive model in their heads.

This page was created to respond to the issues Vilignat raised. At 72 comments, I stopped individual responses, offering to answer any questions from real people. The only comments have come from Oliver Smith or a troll. All crazy stuff.

Vilignant continued his trolling, it is now at 143 additional comments. So I started making a generic reply, so it's easy and automatic. Vilignant posts trolling accusation, I reply with Reply. Or if he brings up the honey pot story, it's a specific Reply on archive.is. I don't know how many are reading these. But it doesn't matter.

That activity satisfies the instinctive Do Something, Fight or Flight that is a natural reaction to trolling. Simply ignoring it works with short-term trolling, most trolls go away. Vilignat is not like that.

He is a dedicated troll who has been successful for many years, he created the story of Jeff Merkey Internet Loon . . . and it was believed, because Merkey was being attacked by a whole community of Linux fanatics, some of whom were vicious, and Merkey did over-react, making him an easy target.

Case in point: The Book page on Merkey is almost entirely Vilignat snark, taking every semi-fact about Merkey and distorting it into utter preposterousness. Merkey was obviously very intelligent, what is loosely called a "polymath." Another expression is "jack of all trades, master of none." Most of the original comments from Merkey on which the snark was based are unavailable, but what was presented as ridiculous very likely had a non-ridiculous core.

I saw the same on Wikipedia Review about my cold fusion work. "Nuclear reactor in his kitchen!" Total misrepresentation, based on my design of a kit to replicate an experimental finding from the U.S. Navy SPAWAR group, that might generate a few neutrons. Very few. Not dangerous in the least. Not a "reactor." Purely an experiment, and easily affordable. I abandoned that work when I realized that even though it was published in mainstream journals, it was having no impact at all, and it was a one-trick pony. No useful correlations. (It's been continued and there is some possibility I might put more kits together, the original people are now optimizing neutron production and using uranium wire as a cathode and as a neutron amplifier, work sponsored by the U.S. government. I'd try the experiment with a uranium salt in the electrolyte, to be plated on the cathode, underneath a palladium layer co-deposited with deuterium. I have all the materials except the uranium salt, which is easily obtained. Or not. I still don't consider it a priority. Reaction mechanism remains unknown.)

The critical community is infected with hatred and a few haters who stir it up. It's also the same almost everywhere. The problem is not the haters, the problem is the rest of us. I cite [[meatball:DefendEachOther]] here, and the response was "meatball wiki is for losers." Blatant trolling and actually irrelevant. However, to be sure, the comment appears to have been deleted. But trolling will continue unless confronted by the community.

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Re: Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

Post by Graaf Statler » Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:38 pm

Dear Abd,

I will advice sucks mangement to give you about the same message as you got on Reddit.

*Max 6 lines with a limited amound of words.
*One link.
*One image.
*One posting every 24 hours.

See for my motivation the Treehouse, a copy of that posting is handed over to Sucks mangement.

Best regards.

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