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Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:53 pm

There have been some discussion of Wikipediocracy user Vigilant here. His activity on Wikipediocracy shows much that sucks about Wikipedia critique: it easily becomes personal attack.

This can come from blaming problems on Bad People, which aligns, then, with a plan of action: Get Rid of the Bad People and All Will Be Well!

It never works, but because of the time scale, few notice this.

In any case, on Reddit, Vigilant went after Jimbo Wales, hammer and tongs. I wrote about it here. That comment is currently member-only, I'm considering opening it up, and how to do that. [note:opened up, see below]. I don't want to turn this forum into yet another flame furnace, as it had become for a time. However, this is also a core issue, and Wikipediocracy's long-sustained support for Vigilant -- actually protecting him from critique -- is an embarrassment to the community. On Reddit, in that Wales AMA, he was creamed by the community. Attack like his simply was not tolerated. I commented there, briefly, responding to a question about his identity, and he then turned the flames on me, completely ignoring niceties like topics and relevance. Not surprising for him.

And I'm taking the opportunity to make more easily visible exactly what Vigilant is, if anyone cares to look. The documentation is on my blog, and one remarkable showing is that about the only support for Vigilant has come from Smith brothers throwaway accounts. He's keeping marvelous company, all while appearing to believe he is the King of Critics and nobody better mess with him!

[note added] And this attracted the attention of some 'pediots. See Vigilant goes after Jimbo hammer & tongs on Reddit AMA

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:24 pm

Now, the method to my madness. Vigilant has deflected any evidenced critique in the past, by calling it "wall of text" and by depending on the tendencies of far too many on-line participants to go for quick reaction and to not actually read carefully, checking sources, etc. Looking back over my contributions years ago, I would say that, for the audience, I wrote too much, and that what I'm doing now is far more effective, hypertexting. I.e. presenting summarized polemic, with linked evidence if anyone cares. If they don't care, they would also not read a post with all the evidence in place.

It's quite clear that Vigilant is irritated as hell by what I'm doing, he rails at me as if it is cowardice to not engage with him in situ. But "in situ" is a place where it's all irrelevant, and even if it were relevant, I would still hypertext it. It actually took me way too long to realize that I needed my own blog, and creating that allowed building an audience and support, including financial support.

Vigilant is fully displaying what it is to be a troll. There is no redeeming value to his Reddit ravings. It is pure attack. And responding there, more than minimally, will create a shitshow and communities reject shitshows with "a pox on both your houses."

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:35 pm

Fascinating. I think this is working. Vigilant appears to be setting up an exit where he can claim he had the "last word." Of his last three Reddit comments, two have been total irrelevancies, non-sequiturs. And, of course, I'm not responding to those on Reddit, though I am mentioning them on my blog and here.
In comments on the post on Strelnikov's blog:
I'm a very good driver, yeah...
And his latest comment on the WiA blocked user thread
Have you seen my baseball?
One comment, I wasn't certain, but two, I think this is transparent. It is not offensive, other than being off-topic.
Vigilant Reddit watch.
WPO account contributions (requires registration) -- of his last five posts, three have been related to this self-important boring and always wrong ABD.
I like numbers but I am far from a "numerologist." Even the Rats never went that far.

Heh! I answered his baseball question by PM. Nicely, nothing offensive. What do you think I got back? Wanna see it? Screenshot available.

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Re: Vigilant!!!

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:17 pm

Vigilant has long been very active in Wikipedia critique, starting on Wikipedia Review, and continuing on Wikipediocracy. Critique of his posts there is probably what led to my ban from Wikipediocracy in 2015. Vigilant has established himself as someone who can criticize anyone, but anyone who criticizes him is an idiot or shitheel or worse. The recent exchange on Reddit demonstrated that, and also showed how to shut him up in a public forum, but he's protected on Wikipediocracy. So it is no surprise that he strikes back there, with his usual. And how Wikipediocracy handles that shows us much about that site. I covered the first responses in
And now, another post on WPO.
Vigilant Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:33 pm
Additional Boring Drivel is all wound up. He's got three threads about me on the front page of sucks. Living rent free in your head there, Dennis. Dance, monkeyboy, dance.
As usual, the only facts stated are wrong. First of all, the Front page of Sucks is here. It shows the latest post in the various discussion channels. There are two listings there, but actually only one post, because the first post relating to Vigilant, about his trolling of Jimbo Wales, was in a members-only forum, and I moved it to this channel, because there was no reason for that to be member-only, that was an error. But a redirect was left and that keeps the display up in the members-only channel. Or Vigilant was not referring to that at all. He almost never provides links for his rants. Then, in this channel, there are two posts. One is that original post and then one is this. Not three posts by any stretch. But Vigilant will always exaggerate, it's part of his MO.

As to the rest, that's his imagination, and the reverse would be closer to the truth. This topic is a small part of my posting here. I have been the focus of almost all of Vigilant's recent posts on Sucks, and almost all as well of his recent rants on Reddit. He's obsessed, but he's always been like this. Looking back at my last contributions to Wikipediocracy, I found this thread where he was on full display.

The troll lost on Reddit, retreated to his bridge, and is running his mouth there, claiming to his claque that he won.

. . . just how it looks to me, my "personal reality." There is, beyond that, social reality and ultimate reality. By not caring about evidence, Vigilant operates only in his personal reality, and with a limited social reality that is isolated from most of humanity, and as to ultimate reality, he has no clue.

How do others here see this all? I see nobody on WPO who confronts Vigilant. Used to be different, at least a little, see that thread. I commented there and, of course, was in short order banned (without warning) -- though, in fact, my comment was about tolerance of gross incivility on Wikipedia, and Vigilant's name was redacted.

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:31 pm

Of course he continues. Again, folks, let me know if you want to see this. I could put this on my blog, instead.
Vigilant » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:15 pm [public copy]
lol (link)
It appears that CMAwatch is using Sucks to pursue a personal agenda not related to Wikipedia criticism. Am I correct in that?
Hypocrisy, thy name is Abd.
Pot kettle black. It is hypocrisy to ask a question based on what becomes obvious with evidence presented? But thanks for the link!

Randy from Boise then makes a weird comment. What was cited was my discovery of evidence a topic of discussion on Sucks, presented with only enough context for it to make sense, and then a conclusion ("point"), which he frames with "You nailed it, Abd, you heavy-handed, self-important, power-hungry, big-mouthed dumbfuck!!!" In other words, even while agreeing with me, he's part of the Vigilant claque. "Self-important" is meaningless projection, "power-hungry" has no examples, "big mouthed" means what? I speak up? And "dumbfuck" is common from the 'pediots, many of whom are not the smartest bulbs in the pack. Those who consider evidence compilations "walls of text" can be expected to miss a lot. What phpBB creates is lengthy pages with low content density. Structural problem. Vig then plopped this in that sewer:

Vigilant Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:06 pm [pubic copy]
Another long screed from the monkeyboy. I stopped posting on wikiinaction when you stopped shitting it up.
He's lying, and the record clearly shows it. But he knows that most 'pediots won't look at the record, which is why they remain 'pediots instead of joining reality. He was the one "shitting up" WikiInAction, and I refused to expand that shit, taking all substantial response to my blog instead. Twice, on Reddit, he was driven away by clear response that did not garbage up threads.
Hypocrisy, thy earthly representative is Abd.
He is repeating himself and it's unrelated here. He cannot survive in ordinary communities, only in the protection of Wikipediocracy.
BTW, since it's been a few days and you still haven't figured it out, "Have you seen my baseball?" and "Yeah, I'm a good driver..." are not random nonsense. You should try the google, boomer.
1. I know the memes, and the point, the way they were used, remains. He was bailing from the discussion. However, I also read things in many ways and PM'd him from the baseball comment. It was banter. He used it for more insult and attack in PM. Useless trolling. His MO. One-track mind, hatred and contempt. My point.
2. Not a boomer, I'm older than that. Again, Vigilant will use any insult he can think up, and his brain is devoted to it. As I wrote, some find it entertaining, and my warning is that this is dangerous, and it feeds hatred.

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:23 pm

Heh! I was pretty sure that the WPO topic linked here was public, but it may have been made private, it certainly is now. So I'm archiving it on wikitop.cc, here. That is massaged wikitext and I haven't bothered to clean it up, but one can follow the discussion. Links to the individual posts should be to a permanent version, because the page might be courtesy blanked. This is to make the content available for critique, not for attack-by-Google.

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:49 pm

Most recent Vigilant posts have been his reaction to being confronted by me and Strelnikov, obviously he is what he says about others, "butthurt." However, today he began making comments not about me. I'll be listing them here so that others can see exactly what he does. (ABD means that the comment contains an Abd reference.)

Jan 07, 2020 9:29 am - excuse for "dipshittery"
Jan 07, 2020 10:13 am - "Great Britain sucked a lot of nazi dick right around that time"
Jan 07, 2020 11:28 am - on topic re an off-topic meander, but still treated another WPO user as if blind.
Jan 07, 2020 6:57 pm - "TL;DR - He's jealous." inferring Someone's state of mind (RfB? Kudpung?) from what he did not read, right?
Jan 07, 2020 7:19 pm "OK, Boomer." To RfB, and the previous comment was also to RfB.
Jan 08, 2020 11:41 am Actual link to ArbCom!
Jan 08, 2020 2:04 pm [Member-only forum] "The dumbest thing I've ever seen on Wikipedia." Where has he been?
Jan 08, 2020 2:11 pm coat-rack to dump on Eric Corbett
Jan 08, 2020 2:15 pm tl;dr doesn't work with a page cited elsewhere, so he goes for snark that has the same fact behind it.
Jan 08, 2020 2:21 pm snark about "funny shit"
Jan 08, 2020 2:30 pm "garbage human," "cowards on ARBCOM."
Jan 08, 2020 2:34 pm "Kudpung seems like he's really disappointed he missed WWII and the chance to be in the Gestapo."
Jan 08, 2020 2:42 pm one of the more reasonable Vigilant posts. then I noticed "<snip video of cold fusion supporter>" ABD video link
Jan 08, 2020 2:48 pm [to Eric Corbett] Go back to your pints, you steaming tosspot
Jan 08, 2020 2:59 pm Many people are ignorant [true] and [use as coatrack to troll ABD
Jan 08, 2020 3:05 pm Video: Let the hate flow through you (ref to that removed video, about countering hate with love?).
Jan 08, 2020 3:06 pm phpBB business, normal.
Jan 08, 2020 4:19 pm relatively calm exchange with a WP arbitrator -- who did confront him over an inconsistent position.
Confronted by Poetlister over that: "Are you asking me to put back my avatar?"
Jan 08, 2020 4:34 pm Mild.
Jan 08, 2020 4:56 pm Wherein Vig admits he had not seen something and changed his view from evidence. Wow!
Jan 08, 2020 8:55 pm "Jehochmoan shows up to be wrong about everything as usual."
Jan 09, 2020 12:22 am "This is pretty fucking dark." Yes. Wikipedia structure encourages it. Confront it, be harassed.
Jan 09, 2020 12:38 am Standard for the anti-woo faction: "there is no evidence." Reality is that source considers evidence inconclusive. Long story.
Jan 09, 2020 1:55 am grave-dancing over Timothy Usher who was cause in the Offwiki block of Abd.
Jan 09, 2020 1:17 pm Ashley van Haeften aka Fae, is a contraindicator of common sense and decency
Jan 09, 2020 1:20 pm a ton of shitty, shitty decisions last ARBCOM
Jan 09, 2020 9:57 pm normal human comment, no venom
Jan 10, 2020 9:58 am "habitual lush"; V. quotes himself from 7 years ago, and frosts the mudcake with "ferret lover."
Jan 10, 2020 10:26 am merely lame: "WP:AC, where AC now stands for Admin Conduct"
Jan 10, 2020 11:26 am "dick-o-meter" but mild for V.
Jan 10, 2020 11:39 am waste of space, applauds a completely dumb post from Giraffe Stapler.
Jan 10, 2020 5:32 pm "Adios, Kudpung."
Jan 10, 2020 5:35 pm "Like watching a fish ride a bicycle."
Jan 10, 2020 5:36 pm "Would somebody kindly tell Jehochmoan to STFU?"
Jan 10, 2020 7:19 pm Good times, good times... his own post from 2013 re Ironholds
Jan 10, 2020 7:35 pm Someone sure went quiet Cat got your tongue? (1 day silence on a wiki is meaningless)
Jan 10, 2020 11:54 pm "Kudpung is about to get integration scrummed."
Jan 10, 2020 11:57 pm ... "shitheel" ...
Jan 11, 2020 1:04 am nice about Lila Tretikov
Jan 11, 2020 11:15 am cites an article, then "... good lord, is that a terrible article." [he's right, but then why cite it?]

The above are all posts for the period. I will now only post cherry-picked juicy tidbits calculated to expose Vigilants hyperactive anus. So stop reading this if offended. It is claimed that some love the lulz. I will remain responsive to users and site staff considering what the readership here wants. I am not the boss here, not a dictator, as some have claimed, just a user, and in addition, an appointed servant subject to supervision. There is a decade of Vigilant's vicious rants, mostly with no grounded response, to catch up on!
Jan 12, 2020 8:19 am "Snowflake culture at its finest."
Jan 12, 2020 8:23 am "Prepare your orifice, Kudpung."
Jan 12, 2020 9:19 pm "cockholster"
Jan 13, 2020 6:47 pm "Eric's biggest regret is that he never got to perch his dimpled tuchus atop the golden throne of wikipedia power. What a foul tyrant he'd have been. Stalin would have blanched." Trolling Eric Corbett.
Jan 14, 2020 1:47 am [Wikipedia administrators] "share a common thread of cowardice"
Jan 15, 2020 11:55 am
Under the righteous rule of Abd, this refusal to honor the right to administrate would not stand! My suggestion is to send Eric to play with the other chromosomally superabundant over at sucks.
Coatrack to attack Eric Corbett, me, and Sucks all in a few words! Some of us might love to see this in a movie where the vicious hater ends up eviscerated, stretched naked on the rack, and the crowd calls him a whiner and laughs at his tiny genitals. They consider that entertainment on Wikipediocracy. Corbett did not defy moderation, and Vigilant hates all "stupid people," including people with Down Syndrome. He's asking for one he hates to be banned, yet has called the policy I declared on Sucks -- no blocking without violated warning -- "dictatorial." The lowest pit of hell, in fact, is reserved for the hypocrites.
Jan 15, 2020 4:02 pm (WPO member-only) Public "What a zoo of inbred speds." Intense ableist contempt of Sucks, with a link displayed with a lie.
Jan 15, 2020 8:38 pm (Public) "BANNED ... for being a giant dick" Both are lies from a fount of lies. I was blocked for 7 days without warning, not banned. And while I'm honored to be called a Giant Dick by the biggest dick on the internet, or at least on WPO, the block was about what the link shows. "Be sure to also write them up on your honeypot website, you fucking nut." Not a honeypot, that's insane, this trivial BS would not be documented there, and thanks for the compliment.
Jan 15, 2020 8:38 pm (Member only) (Public) "his recent autofellatio around moderators' rights" Writing reality is called autofellatio by a hater of reality.
Jan 15, 2020 8:40 pm 9 member-only (Public)"What kind of monstrous dipshit do you have to be to get banned from a puzzle subreddit?!" It is far easier to be banned from a single-moderator, low-conflict subreddit, in active moderator to boot, than from the ordinary flame war subs. But I was not banned. However, Vigilant has now posted twice to the sub with attacks. Both have been deleted and it is possible he was banned. I'll cover this elsewhere.
Jan 15, 2020 8:49 pm "Let the whining commence" Opinion about Wikipedia reality, shared by critics, is called "whining" though it includes no complaint. No surprise, Vigilant is a dedicated troll, and "whining" and "butthurt" are among his favorite words.
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:15 pm (member-only) (Public) "Absurd Brainless Dolt" ... "raw chaos wall-o-text masquerading as a response" ... "Like a cur ... shitting all over the bed" ... "spedling". Is this a "wall of text"? Be aware, arcane topic. and, of course, more ableism from a troll.
Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:30 pm "suggest you tards" ... how to ensure that any suggestion is ignored, present it that way. Grandstanding troll.
Jan 16, 2020 6:19 pm "pretty mild and then Kudpung loses his fucking mind in response." We all do, at least for a moment, when we react to a perceived attack. Vigilant included. But Vig continues the lizard brain response for a decade or more. And trolls know this. The troll goal is to create amygdala hijack, that, if it dominates, looks bad. Sidestepping makes him furious.
Jan 16, 2020 7:19 pm "Seems less insane than the average admin." Combining weak compliment with general contempt.
Jan 16, 2020 6:50 pm Public"Merkey" "most net.kooks" "raw narcissism" "intellectual and moral frauds," w/ unsourced refs to his obsessive stalking of 30 years of net history, all deceptive, and most obscure. Troll farts. Yawn.
Re comment from Beeblebrox: "I can only imagine the shrieks of fury were that particular unblock made." Vigilant could be unblocked on Wikipedia and the only basis for reblock would be off-wiki critique, which will normally be ignored. Opposition is here referred to in Vig style, about projected emotion, not fact. But could Vig compose a sensible unblock request? His opponents, which could be legion, might agree to the unblock on the "give him rope," exposing him to ridicule. Doubt he'd risk that. This exposes this question as insincere. Vig has only one sincere bone in his body, and it isn't a bone.
Jan 18, 2020 1:48 am Hyperbolic, but if this were Vig's standard fare, I'd consider him a positive contributor. Kudpung could be fucked, but Vig relishes it. The lesson in all this. Don't piss off people, unless it is a necessity, in which case prepare for incoming. Some have resources. Piss 'em off enough, they will die rather than let you live.
Jan 21, 2020 3:24 pm STFU, Eric. You are the poster child for hypocrisy here.

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Re: Vigilant!!!

Post by Abd » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:30 pm

I'll keep adding those links because it takes up little space. Two of Vigilant's comments are marked "ABD" because they were not about me, but were used as coatracks for attempted trolling.

"snip video of cold fusion supporter" that video is of a Democratic candidate in a recent debate, talking about love in place of hate. I'm the only cold fusion expert around here, so he is connecting me with love, which inspires him with contempt. Then he posts another video "let the hatred flow." He is sooo visible.

"They probably sat in on several of Feynman's lectures though, so we're good." Again, I am the only Feynman student I know of involved with WP. So this is again contempt, pursuing his standing claim of my idiocy. In fact, that was two years of lectures, the only time he taught undergrads. What an opportunity! Cal Tech! 1961-63. I left to pursue something more important to me, but came back to science when first banned on Wikipedia. Real science. Peer-reviewed review in a mainstream journal. Yes, on cold fusion, the real science, not pseudoscience or wishful thinking (of which there is much). Vigilant is totally aligned with the contemptuous haters on Wikipedia.

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