Discord

[Graaf Statler]

Discord is extreem clever made. It is very user friendly, it has lot of options like video chat, gif's, it is smooth, but the most briljant is, it is a game itself.

With all those levels, ranks, staff and mod status you are playing a game in the chat function with your friends. It is a play who grips the absolute power, and if you l "lose the game", are kicked out you get a picture of a wrecked schip and a invitation to start your one discord with your friends.

It is exacte how it is described, a place for gamers where they can continue there games with there real personality's.

[CrowsNest]

Sounds like Discord is exactly what I thought it was - an alternate IRC.
The general public can't read it, conversations are ephemeral, and participation is highly restricted.
Pointless.

.....

So CrowsNest will stay away from the Server. Crushed, we are. We should re-examine our entire philosophy of being, because we have obviously Failed to attract the center of the universe, the Mainstay of Sucks.

You only need to examine one thing - this absurd belief of yours that I cannot and would not participate in something that was genuinely akin to a Salon. If you had the decency to understand who I am and what I do, outside of the necessary Kumioko beat down, you'd be pretty pissed off you can't sell the WPO Discord to me (I take it your previous invite has been withdrawn?).

If great that TDA is still active, but I think everyone who knows his work will appreciate that an ephemeral platform which the public can't read, would not be his first choice. There's nothing stopping him posting here if he wants, AFAIK.

As far as I know from last messages, if I wanted it, Dysklyver would sort me out with Level 10 access immediately, all I need do is ask. I simply haven't asked, because I've yet to see the benefit. If that's no longer or indeed never was the case, he can come here and say it, or PM me.

There's quite a few misunderstandings floating around out there about who I am and what I do, some deliberate propaganda from people who just can't deal, some genuine misunderstandings, but those who have the courage and the integrity to approach me for clarification, they go away satisfied, and AFAIK we remain valued colleagues, even if we have differing wikipolitical stances.

While I was temporarily on hiatus while concentrating on beating Kumioko's face in, I did notice something in wikiland that would have been useful for TDA to know. I didn't post it here as I didn't know he was still active, and AFAIK nobody else knows his story well enough to have made use of it either, not properly anyway. If I can recall where it was I'll post it, and maybe a thank you will find it's way to me, if it can navigate the social hierarchy and techno-bureaucracy of your island paradise.

You made a mistake casting me as nothing but a troll, Abd. You could have reflected and apologized. That you did not, is regrettable, but there's no philosophy or technology that will shield you from the consequences.

[Kumioko]

Let me just chime in here and say that how you acted towards me, and pretty much anyone else that comes here is totally unnecessary. If the mods had any sense they would have blocked you like Wikipedia did MMAR

I still hold out hope they will I order to allow this forum to thrive, but at this point it doesn't look like that's their goal.

[CrowsNest]

Let me just chime in here and say that how you acted towards me, and pretty much anyone else that comes here is totally unnecessary. If the mods had any sense they would have blocked you like Wikipedia did MMAR

I still hold out hope they will I order to allow this forum to thrive, but at this point it doesn't look like that's their goal.

Yup, I'm sure you'll go far arguing the mods here should be more like the ones at Wikipedia (although I suspect you meant Wikipediocracy).

You don't even care how monumentally stupid this sort of comment makes you look, right? How it reveals there is not a brain in that skull, not a human one anyway. Maybe a chimp's brain, or some other lower life form only with the capacity for fight or flight. But no higher reasoning.

That's what amazes me.

You'll say literally anything if you think it will achieve your current objective, no matter how much damage it does to yourself. I bet you don't even understand what my point is with that sentence, you're that much of a fucking mong.

"pretty much anyone else that comes in here". Whatever dude. A lie is still a lie, no matter how many times you repeat it.

Shit, we could probably even just use that as the dictionary definition - a lie is something Kumioko repeats as a fact even after he has been asked to back it up.

You're harming yourself just to harm me.

It's a suicide mission!

Good. At least I will get to see your head blown a hundred feet into the air. Then we'll finally see what brain you were born with.

[Graaf Statler]

It's also not a place where someone like you would be welcome. So it's really better that you don't sign up.

Indeed It doesn't seems to me a place for Crow. I only was there because just like Any I was curious.

It is a impressive piece of software engineering, create for boy's 12 -15 year old. It is a kind of boyscout camp with tree houses and a camp fire.
And in one of those three housed is Abd sitting who take it all very serious, surrounded by all kind of simple minds like Kum and TDA.

Except Emb, the sister of Dysk, wo is talking in some babbling "gamers". Because Emb, princess as I call here is just as bright as here brother Dysk.
Extreem bright I have to say and she fools them all all the time.

[Abd]

You made a mistake casting me as nothing but a troll, Abd. You could have reflected and apologized. That you did not, is regrettable, but there's no philosophy or technology that will shield you from the consequences.

I did not "cast" CrowsNest as "nothing but a troll," but he had clearly been trolling Kumioko, very explicitly and admittedly. As to "the consequences," I am fully responsible for the consequences of my actions and inactions. I expect no shield except as Reality decrees.

I am not fond of hatred and support organizing content so that the expression of hatred has restricted access, or, sometimes, no access. In this I am with the majority of mature humanity. Trolling is an offense against not only the target, but the community. It is not only disruptive in itself, it deliberately provokes disruptive response. It is that goal that distinguishes trolling from criticism, it is criticism intended to enrage.

[CrowsNest]

You made a mistake casting me as nothing but a troll, Abd. You could have reflected and apologized. That you did not, is regrettable, but there's no philosophy or technology that will shield you from the consequences.

I did not "cast" CrowsNest as "nothing but a troll," but he had clearly been trolling Kumioko, very explicitly and admittedly. As to "the consequences," I am fully responsible for the consequences of my actions and inactions. I expect no shield except as Reality decrees.

I am not fond of hatred and support organizing content so that the expression of hatred has restricted access, or, sometimes, no access. In this I am with the majority of mature humanity. Trolling is an offense against not only the target, but the community. It is not only disruptive in itself, it deliberately provokes disruptive response. It is that goal that distinguishes trolling from criticism, it is criticism intended to enrage.

Did I ever explicitly state I was aiming to troll Kumioko? Or did I repeatedly explain to him and to you the clear difference between my means and motives, and that of a troll.

I never once saw a rebuttal, just a doubling down, and it was about that time these accusations of yours became less specific, tracking Kumioko's efforts, entering the realms of a general slur on my character and a rank dismissal of my entire body of work. Prick me, do I'm not bleed?

I think I only said once, right, I'm gonna set him off and let you all deal with the consequences, and that was entirely justified, as I explained in meticulous detail. Still no real replies, just more slurs.

It became clear and obvious that people here needed to see me standing over a bloodied and beaten Kumioko, before they would start heeding my advice and latterly, grave warnings of impending trouble.

Criticise me for that all you want, but it's not what a troll does.

Reality can only be your shield, if you make some effort to stick to it.

Accurate terminology is the bedrock of any sensible discourse.

[Abd]

Trolls do not discuss, they assert contempt and hatred as justified, and they may deny being a troll in the same post that admits it. ("I had a good purpose for provoking him.") Attempts to discuss with trolls are useless. Hence:

[Foe] Someone tell me if CrowsNest posts anything that I should see. Thanks.

[Graaf Statler]

Foe] Someone tell me if CrowsNest posts anything that I should see. Thanks.

But that's what I tried to make clear from the first moment on!. If you don't like the place, doesn't like us, just don't read here, and special don't post here.

Steln, banned by WMF himself has explained this side is running on the server of BadMachine, a good friend all of us and there is Sucksadmin and there are two Psysps.

What do you expect, Abd + companions, they just handel the side to you over? Because you want that so dear?

Come on Abd, you know much better!

(i hope. )

[Kumioko]

Trolls do not discuss, they assert contempt and hatred as justified, and they may deny being a troll in the same post that admits it. ("I had a good purpose for provoking him.") Attempts to discuss with trolls are useless. Hence:

[Foe] Someone tell me if CrowsNest posts anything that I should see. Thanks.

This brings up a good point. Abd has now added crow to foes. I did as well though I do sometimes check it for context on others replies. So if so many people are putting crow on the foe's list due to his obsessive and inappropriate behavior, who does that show is the problem here.