WP and Big Pharma

[Cla68]

Over the years, we've talked a lot about Wikipedia and it's undue influence from various activist self-interest groups such as the atheists (ID Cab), global warmists, Israeli Zionists, pedos, transgender activists, animal rights, and a few others. We've also referenced big pharma at times, particularly with regard to MastCell/Gorski, but never to the extent as with the other topics.

The recent COVID-19 pandemic has brought the malign influence of big pharma to the fore, as recent studies are now concluding that small business shut downs, mask wearing, and the mRNA "vaccines" were all basically useless, or even harmful, for most people. As we all know, over the past 15 years or so there has been a dedicated group of established editors on WP who have spent many, many hours denigrating natural, alternative, Chinese, and holistic medicine in favor of Western intervention with massive amounts of pharmaceuticals.

Besides being influenced by the excesses of the recent COVID-19 restrictions, I've been an investor in small pharmaceutical stocks for a number of years. I read their annual reports and their CEO letters to shareholders. They never say, "Our nefarious plan to sell useless drugs to Westerners goes like this..." but it reads something like that if you read in between the lines. To get a drug approved in the US, it only needs to provide mild results in 20% of patients in controlled studies. I know as an investor I have a conflict of interest, but I regard my involvement, or lack thereof, as the choice that some drug dealers make when they become addicted to their own product, which I believe is applicable to people like MastCell/Gorski, which I think is no coincidence who is in bad health even though he's only in his 60s. He made the mistake of using his own product.

Big pharma is an industry dedicated to pushing drugs with marginal usefulness on people. It only stands to reason that they would use Wikipedia as a marketing tool. One of the curious things about it, is that Wikipedia is mainly made up of leftist editors who used to distrust big corporations, but have somehow over the past 20 years been co-opted to supporting the corporate interests of these big drug corporations.

[Bbb23sucks]

Israeli Zionists

Proof? Otherwise that just sounds like a jew-conspiracy theory.

animal rights

Big animal rights?? What industry is invested in animal rights?

The recent COVID-19 pandemic has brought the malign influence of big pharma to the fore, as recent studies are now concluding that small business shut downs, mask wearing, and the mRNA "vaccines" were all basically useless, or even harmful, for most people.

No they don't.

International study from December 2022:

Compared to placebo, most vaccines reduce, or likely reduce, the proportion of participants with confirmed symptomatic COVID-19, and for some, there is high-certainty evidence that they reduce severe or critical disease. There is probably little or no difference between most vaccines and placebo for serious adverse events. Over 300 registered RCTs are evaluating the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, and this review is updated regularly on the COVID-NMA platform (covid-nma.com). Implications for practice Due to the trial exclusions, these results cannot be generalized to pregnant women, individuals with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection, or immunocompromized people. Most trials had a short follow-up and were conducted before the emergence of variants of concern. Implications for research Future research should evaluate the long-term effect of vaccines, compare different vaccines and vaccine schedules, assess vaccine efficacy and safety in specific populations, and include outcomes such as preventing long COVID-19. Ongoing evaluation of vaccine efficacy and effectiveness against emerging variants of concern is also vital.

As we all know, over the past 15 years or so there has been a dedicated group of established editors on WP who have spent many, many hours denigrating natural, alternative, Chinese, and holistic medicine in favor of Western intervention with massive amounts of pharmaceuticals.

Fair enough, but they still don't work.

Besides being influenced by the excesses of the recent COVID-19 restrictions, I've been an investor in small pharmaceutical stocks for a number of years. I read their annual reports and their CEO letters to shareholders. They never say, "Our nefarious plan to sell useless drugs to Westerners goes like this..." but it reads something like that if you read in between the lines.

True, but that isn't a reason for vaccine denialism.

Wikipedia is mainly made up of leftist editors who used to distrust big corporations

Wikipedia editors aren't leftist, they're just (social) "progressives" who think they're leftists. Real leftists wouldn't support a gigantic, bloated, hyper-authoritarian, and highly-corrupt "power" structure that helps no one and hurts everyone.

[Cla68]

Here's an academic paper that gives more information on what I'm talking about:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9610448/

However, this thread isn't meant to be a debate on the efficacy of vaccines, but efforts by big pharma to market itself via Wikipedia.

MastCell has greatly reduced his WP editing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:C ... s/MastCell although his blog appears to be active: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/author/david-gorski/ . Notice that it's a full-fledged defender of the pharmaceutical industry. I don't think Gorski is being paid directly to promote big pharma in Wikipedia, but he is being paid to promote it in general. Also, notice from his photos that it looks like a strong wind would blow Gorski completely away. Physiognomy is real and no coincidence.

As that academic paper I linked to above shows, the pharma industry has used a number of marketing and psychological techniques to convince people that it's the good guys. They seem to be more effective lately with convincing leftists rather than conservatives. I remember when it was the other way around. When I was a child and teenager, the leftist hippie-types around me were constantly denigrating big pharma and promoting natural medicine. Now it's the other way around. Promotion of pharmaceuticals has now become much more of a partisan political issue.

Where Wikipedia comes in is that leftists are way more active on the site than conservatives. So, leftists promote their causes in the various articles, and this happens to be one of them.

[badmachine]

i couldnt find his photo on his blog, but found his patreon via an annoying popup. it seems Dr Gorski gets $2742 per month from 426 suckers patrons.

[Bbb23sucks]

They seem to be more effective lately with convincing leftists rather than conservatives.

Leftism and conservatism aren't diametrically opposed: leftism is an economic ideology, while conservatism is a social/cultural ideology.

[ericbarbour]

Big pharma is an industry dedicated to pushing drugs with marginal usefulness on people. It only stands to reason that they would use Wikipedia as a marketing tool. One of the curious things about it, is that Wikipedia is mainly made up of leftist editors who used to distrust big corporations, but have somehow over the past 20 years been co-opted to supporting the corporate interests of these big drug corporations.

You have a valid point here. The way Wikiproject Medicine works, one would have to be suspicious of its domination by pro-Big-Pharma MDs and their shills. MastCell and Doc James have a lot of clout in that scene. Members have managed to write a lot of useful medical content albeit with a strong bias toward the corporate ecology. In which working MDs are constantly being hammered with advertising and promotions aimed at selling very costly, patented new drugs. Because the Wikiproject has something like 850 listed participants, cover for the posting of promotional content is easy to find. I guarantee that a few of those members are paid-editing for corporations.

Combine that with the shrieky gang of anti-quack extremists, and you have a biased mess. No one's keeping track. Meanwhile raving nuts like MastCell and Guy Chapman are raising excessive screaming hell if they even get a slight whiff of "favorable treatment" for an alternative-therapy personality. WP:NOTHERE and all that.

Why has MastCell recently been fighting with people over content like The Daily Caller article? What the fucking hell does that have to do with medicine? Perhaps it's good that he is cutting back.

Very few researchers are working on possible useful drugs extracted from natural sources. Because OF COURSE the giant corporations paying for most of the research are pushing for completely new substances they can patent repeatedly, and thus lock up all the business for 25 years. Or more. The patent system is broken and the drug market is a major reason why.

I'd tell you about what happened to Donnatal, a combination drug from the 1940s, and thus LONG out of patent protection. But you would not believe me. (Wikipedia says nothing about the Concordia Pharmeceuticals scandal. It should.)

i couldnt find his photo on his blog

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[badmachine]

davidgorski.jpg

Physiognomy is real and no coincidence.

yep he looks exactly like i thought he would

[Bbb23sucks]

Big pharma is an industry dedicated to pushing drugs with marginal usefulness on people. It only stands to reason that they would use Wikipedia as a marketing tool. One of the curious things about it, is that Wikipedia is mainly made up of leftist editors who used to distrust big corporations, but have somehow over the past 20 years been co-opted to supporting the corporate interests of these big drug corporations.

You have a valid point here. The way Wikiproject Medicine works, one would have to be suspicious of its domination by pro-Big-Pharma MDs and their shills. MastCell and Doc James have a lot of clout in that scene. Members have managed to write a lot of useful medical content albeit with a strong bias toward the corporate ecology. In which working MDs are constantly being hammered with advertising and promotions aimed at selling very costly, patented new drugs. Because the Wikiproject has something like 850 listed participants, cover for the posting of promotional content is easy to find. I guarantee that a few of those members are paid-editing for corporations.

Combine that with the shrieky gang of anti-quack extremists, and you have a biased mess. No one's keeping track. Meanwhile raving nuts like MastCell and Guy Chapman are raising excessive screaming hell if they even get a slight whiff of "favorable treatment" for an alternative-therapy personality. WP:NOTHERE and all that.

Why has MastCell recently been fighting with people over content like The Daily Caller article? What the fucking hell does that have to do with medicine? Perhaps it's good that he is cutting back.

Very few researchers are working on possible useful drugs extracted from natural sources. Because OF COURSE the giant corporations paying for most of the research are pushing for completely new substances they can patent repeatedly, and thus lock up all the business for 25 years. Or more. The patent system is broken and the drug market is a major reason why.

I'd tell you about what happened to Donnatal, a combination drug from the 1940s, and thus LONG out of patent protection. But you would not believe me. (Wikipedia says nothing about the Concordia Pharmeceuticals scandal. It should.)

i couldnt find his photo on his blog

davidgorski.jpg

There is so much paid editing on WP, it's unbelievable. And that's just the paid editing that was done poorly enough to be blatantly obvious, now imagine all the paid editing that isn't as obvious. Also, yeah, patents and copyright are just as broken as WP.

[ericbarbour]

which I believe is applicable to people like MastCell/Gorski, which I think is no coincidence who is in bad health even though he's only in his 60s. He made the mistake of using his own product.

Just curious, where did you see this?

PS, there are more photos of him on the SBM site. Along with old rants about people trying to attack him. My my, he's a sensitive chap, isn't he?

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/editor ... ng-editor/

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