Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Boink Boink » Sat May 13, 2023 10:26 pm

Un-fucking believable....
I have something of a reputation as a hanging judge when it comes to site bans. I have been extremely critical of the committee for not banning some people in the recent past. Yet I want to give VM a final chance here. Maybe it is because I am on holiday and there is fantastic weather here. Maybe it is due to the harassment VM has faced over the past several years. Maybe it is because I have seen VM work on content. Who knows. The chance won't be easy and the restrictions will be draconian, but chance is a chance. --Guerillero Parlez Moi 20:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure what pisses me off more. The lackadaisical attitude, the "who knows", or the fact they are making the case that content contributions or being a victim can excuse being a gigantic asshole, right beneath where his colleagues are correctly pointing out that they don't.

A chance is indeed a chance. And Marek will lawyer the absolute fuck out of it. Will this prick be the one who has to deal with it? Take the time to read the thousand word debates, count the reverts, consult the multi-faceted sanctions? WILL HE FUCK.

The only reason this "hanging judge" isn't doing what he would normally do, is because he has been paid off.


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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Sun May 14, 2023 2:01 am

Boink Boink wrote:
Sat May 13, 2023 10:26 pm
The only reason this "hanging judge" isn't doing what he would normally do, is because he has been paid off.
Would not surprise me. Few arbitrators are such complete butt-licks.

This has not been updated recently but you get the idea.
Thomas Fish

Young Mr. Fish, Guerillero (T-C-F-R-B), showed up on Wikipedia only in 2009 and began editing seriously in 2010. By 2013 he had become an administrator, oversighter, checkuser, auditor, and highly trusted Arbcom clerk. And in 2014 he became an arbitrator.

Fish is a student at Washington University in Maryland. He has foolishly used the school's IP address (209.243.39.149) to edit, and to buttlick on Wikipedia IRC channels. He openly admits being dyslexic.

He first appeared on Wikipedia in November 2009, and edited articles about "straightedge" punk music. He quickly figured out how to set up the Twinkle patrolling bot, and was grinding by December. Interestingly, like a typical college Wikipedian, he cuts back greatly during the summertime. In late 2010 he got very serious, and his contribs exploded (mostly patrolling vandalism).

He held the inevitable editor review in April 2011, wherein he was criticized for writing very little content of value, and for being erratic. And it mattered not at all, as his RFA in November was successful, despite attracting some criticism. Patrollers are "more equal".

Mr. Fish is an obvious power-chaser. In May 2012 he became an Arbcom clerk. In May 2013, he was appointed to Arbcom's Audit Committee, and gained oversight powers in August 2013. The Audit Subcommittee is supposed to watch over checkusers and oversighters and prevent abuses, yet it is routinely filled with people having those powers. There is no obvious record of Fish's receipt of checkuser power, it appears to have been done "in secret" or as part of his Audit Subcommittee appointment.

He is willing to censor Wikipedia's database to remove criticisms (see William_McWhinney#The_end_of_the_cabal.3F_No.21).

He ran for arbitrator in December 2012, and failed, coming in just below the threshold. He ran again in December 2013 and failed again. Interestingly, little mention was made of his paltry work on Wikipedia during 2013. He made an absurd statement in answer to one of the questions: "I would look for a dispute to have gone through several levels of DR before coming to arbcom. Many of the "Go directly to Arbcom. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200" type requests could have been solved by mediation or a RfC." In fact, mediation and RFCs have proven to be rather useless in most previous Wikipedia editing disputes.

On 9 October 2013, he "resigned the admin bits", claiming he wanted a "vacation". And on 16 December, he requested their return, and they were returned, no questions asked. By Will Nicholes.

Fish has blocked relatively few editors, in fact he has done very little on Wikipedia at all, except pursue positions of increasing power.

He was so popular, in December 2014 he was elected to a two-year Arbcom term. He came in at the bottom of the winning field.

During the Wifione arbitration case, it was remarked that blocked user "Peter Damian" had considerable information on Wifione's Wikipedia career, having cowritten the lengthy Wikipediocracy post about Wifione. Fish's comment shut that down: "User:Peter Damian has the option to appeal his community ban via the usual channels. A special exemption will not be given for this case --Guerillero | My Talk 20:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)"

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Sun May 14, 2023 2:04 am

The oppose vote just won out over support votes for VM's site ban. The only consolation will be that Jewish and mainstream sphere are going to wake up on the realities of Wikipedia and put it out of its misery Theranos style. In the past as long as the "end results" remain palatable no matter how rotten the intermediate process are, nobody gives a fuck on its downsides and everyone were content on worshipping it as a "one sacred encyclopedia". Perhaps not anymore.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Bbb23sucks » Sun May 14, 2023 2:37 am

ericbarbour wrote:
Sun May 14, 2023 2:01 am
He is willing to censor Wikipedia's database to remove criticisms (see William_McWhinney#The_end_of_the_cabal.3F_No.21).
Can you elaborate/give more information on that?
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Sun May 14, 2023 8:37 am

That refers to the TimidGuy arbitration, which led directly to the banning of Will Beback/McWhinney. One of the worst insiders of all time. I've mentioned him before. And he sucked up to Jimbo to get TimidGuy banned. They are ALL raging hypocrites, and Jimbo is the king of hypocrisy.
The TimidGuy case is typical Will. TimidGuy was performing edits on Transcendental Meditation articles, and Will used every trick in the book to stop TG. The final dirty trick: Will directly emailed Jimmy Wales to block TG, and included info on TG's real-world identity, thus WP:OUTING and WP:WIKIHOUNDING him. So Jimbo permablocked TG, with no apparent due process. WR thread, WR thread, Request by TG to Arbcom. Will attempted to short-circuit the Arbcom appeal by approaching Sue Gardner, to no avail.

The final decision by Arbcom, delivered 26 February 2012: Will is desysopped, and banned from editing English Wikipedia, except upon approval of Arbcom. Yet even while the decision was being delivered, Will continued to fight over the Lyndon LaRouche article.

This is the essence of Will's POV control. He is maniacal and obsessed. Instead of using his own blocking power, he gets others to do the dirty work for him. He is a consummate and (semi)expert backstabber. When he does block an opponent, it costs him dearly.

The end of the cabal? No!

The case seemed to be a a watershed in wikipedia history, with many of the old guard power users and content controllers who were entrenched before policy developed now mostly gone. Indeed user "Youreallycan" noted this on-wiki:

"User:Cirt - User:WMC and User:Will Beback - all deysopped - sanctioned - add User:Durova to the group and we are in a new era. All users should follow NPOV or they can and should expect similar sanctions. The Cabal is dead. - Youreallycan 01:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)"

but his remark was promptly (and ironically) censored by an "Arbcom clerk" named Guerillero. Although ArbCom had officially recognized that those four admins had engaged in major misconduct, editors were still not allowed to talk about it on Wikipedia. Plus ca change …

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Bbb23sucks » Sun May 14, 2023 8:44 am

How was it censored from the database though? The edit is still publicly accessible in the history: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =479047501
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by ericbarbour » Sun May 14, 2023 8:52 am

It wasn't "censored". Mr. Fish fucked up. He COULD have oversighted it but didn't have the stones, or was just out to lunch. Dunno.

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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by wexter » Sun May 14, 2023 9:16 pm

Just letting them know their conduct is questionable.
To: mdennis@wikimedia.org

It is quite incredible that the conduct and performance of Wikipedia is being shifted back to academicians who "had the effrontery" to find gross inaccuracies and narrative framing in your content. Do you have any idea how offensive the failure to take responsibility is;

"The Arbitration Committee formally requests that the Wikimedia Foundation develop and promulgate a white paper on the best practices for researchers and authors when writing about Wikipedia's."

Wikipedia needs to take a look at its own practices which are far from acceptable in any way.

Thankfully it looks like your toxic social-network and product will shortly be replaced by emerging technologies.
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Re: Research Article: Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust

Post by Ognistysztorm » Sun May 14, 2023 9:45 pm

Actually, if you want Wikipedia to fail, let them make their mistakes so to give the academics a room to move forward into the path of international consortium and pressuring Google to de-rank Wikipedia.

The support/oppose votes for VM's siteban currently hovers at a 4-4 suspense.

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